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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The US has superior technology and training. The US has almost constant combat experience,
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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
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    Unfortunately, you are correct on both points.

    This is probably the first of many examples of Russia imposing its will on western Europe in an attempt to rebuild the Soviet Union. The difference though is that this time, NATO has already absorbed many of the previous Warsaw Pact nations.

    Map of previous Warsaw Pact nations:


    Current NATO map showing designations of each nation. Notice the proximity to Russia, with only Belarus, Ukraine and Georgia separating Russia from NATO:
    I corrected your map. . .

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The US has superior technology and training. The US has almost constant combat experience, and our economy is more able to handle expenditures. I assume we have all sorts of special operations and intelligence tricks that the public doesnt know about. So long the US limits itself to removing Russia from Ukraine, I think it would be one sided.
    Of course we are considering limiting the conflict to dislodging Russia from Crimea. Because if we were taking about all out war with Russia, oh that would be a long drawn out affair. Recall what happened last time someone tried a land invasion of Russia. Even with superior technology, that was a big failure.

    Again, the US relies on superior air power for these quick wars. And while is some respects the US fighters are said to be better e.g. better missiles, the Russian fighters are said to be more mobile. Over and above that, the Russians have the best air defense systems in the world. I don't think it would be as one sided as you think.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But then annexation, if that was the end goal, would prove that Yanukovych wasn't needed past accepting the deal anyway. Perhaps he would stay on as a puppet doing the Kremlins bidding and be a useful tool, but that is a minor issue compared to the annexation itself.

    I'd be interested to see how the US pressured Yanukovych with protests. Are you saying the CIA fomented social protests?

    I admit it sounds plausible, but that would mean the US misread Putin and his intentions in a big way. Would that be how you see it?
    Again, annexing Crimea in this way creates many problems for Putin. Russia's interests where better served with the status quo as it was. The primary goal for Putin at this point has to be rebuilding Russia. He really needs good relations with the West to do that. The annexation of Crimea is certainly going to slow that primary goal, which is why it's not likely that he would do it, unless he felt he really had to.

    As far as pressuring Yanukovych with protests, here's the Assistant Secretary of State herself, passing out cookies to the protesters



    Last and most importantly, yes, it was a very very big mistake.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There won't be any WWIII. Putin is currently pals w/one of the US govt.'s Supreme Rulers, Tillerson, meaning any war between Russia and the US is impossible.
    Now that's a good point!!!!

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I've been to Crimea many times and I never witnessed nor heard of any "oppression". What you did have was a constant agitation by pro-Russian political parties. Even so, the current pro-Russian Crimean Prime Minister (installed by Moscow) received only 4% of the vote in the last Crimean election. With the turmoil in Kyiv, Putin saw an opportunity and pounced. Truth be told, Ukraine is better off without Crimea. It is a sinkhole economically that is now Russia's problem. As the Crimeans are about to discover, life under Russian law is very different than living in an autonomous republic. About the only population segment that will benefit are pensioners (~500,000) who will see their pension checks double in size. Tourism - which supports the peninsula - is about to take the toilet plunge that befell Egypt. There are no flights and all booked Ukrainian and foreign tour groups have cancelled. The service sector (hotels, spas, car rental agencies, souvenir shops, tour guide agencies, etc) is about to take a very significant and painful hit.
    I'd call changing the language policy by the new "illegal" Government in Ukraine an oppressive move.. but whatever..
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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I'd call changing the language policy by the new "illegal" Government in Ukraine an oppressive move.. but whatever..
    No, not whatever. If you're going to complain about something, get it right.

    According to its Constitution, Ukrainian is the official national language of the nation of Ukraine. However, Russian has long been the unofficial language in many administrative regions (oblasts) of southern and eastern Ukraine. Ergo, the Minority Languages Law of 2012 guaranteed that another language could be used in documents, courts, schools, and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine where the percentage of representatives of national minorities exceeds 10% of the total population of a defined administrative district.

    After the fall of the Yanukovych government, a bill was introduced in the Rada (parliament) to repeal the Minority Languages Act and this proposal was passed by a vote of 232 MPs out of 450 (226 required for passage). However, acting President Oleksandr Turchynov vetoed the bill. The Minority Languages Act of 2012 remains intact and unchanged and a majority of MPs have since come to the conclusion that repealing the law would be more nationally divisive than multiple languages. Russian thus remains a protected language in 13 of Ukraine's 27 administrative regions. Hungarian, Romanian, and Moldovan remain protected languages in the Oblast of Zakarpattia.

    In signing an Association Agreement with the European Union today, the government of Ukraine has agreed to abide by the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Without nuclear weapons Russia could steam roll over Poland. Poland's military is only for small bordering counties.
    Russia could roll across every non-nuclear power in East and West Europe easily if it wanted to. All are relying on the US for defense. A BIG mistake on their part.
    Don't buy it.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A likely future conflict area is Kazakhstan. It is a massive collection of natural resources on Russia's Southern border worth trillions to Russia. Uzbekistan also likely of very high conquest interests of Russia.
    kazakhstan and usbekistan are firmly in in russias pocket. they don't want independence from russia they want to work with russia.

    on the other hand Uzbekistan's future is in doubt if its leader kicks the bucket, he is the only thing holding his regime together.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama's backing down every chance he gets.
    How is he backing down and what do you propose he do he is not already doing? Do you want us to go to war?

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