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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    All these 'threats' are just posturing and silly, IMO.

    Btw, notice how America punished some Russians directly...but NOT Putin.

    In other words...'we want to seem like we are doing something, but we don't want to actually do anything'.

    Well he did hit up that bank......which is like ranked 17th. But then Putin dropped a chunk of money in it to spite Obama. Here was the Fiscal times showing in US media that Obama was a Strong President. Due to the criticisms here in the US. but more importantly from those outside the US.


    How Obama Crippled a Russian Bank with a Stroke of a Pen

    He may not take shirtless horseback rides across the steppes, or have a black belt in judo, but on Thursday, President Obama sent a message to Russian president Vladimir Putin about strength. Specifically, economic strength.

    The message was this: Whenever I decide to, I can pick up a pen, and kill a significant financial institution in your country.

    The designation makes the individuals named ineligible to do business with U.S. financial institutions, which is likely a major personal inconvenience. But for Bank Rossiya, the designation is something like the kiss of death.

    Bank Rossiya is not the largest bank in Russia by a long shot, but its significance lies in its clientele rather than its size. In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department noted that Bank Rossiya “is the personal bank for senior officials of the Russian Federation” including members of the Ozero Dacha Cooperative, an exclusive community where members of Putin’s inner circle live. In addition, it provides financial services to the single largest segment of the Russian economy – the oil, gas, and energy sector.

    Essentially, this is a credit union for oligarchs, with a side business in financing the Russian energy industry. Its customers include many more high-profile Russians than just those named in the Treasury statement. As of Thursday it is, for all intents and purposes, out of business.

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-crippled...W4tVVM-;_ylv=3

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well he did hit up that bank......which is like ranked 17th. But then Putin dropped a chunk of money in it to spite Obama. Here was the Fiscal times showing in US media that Obama was a Strong President. Due to the criticisms here in the US. but more importantly from those outside the US.
    I saw this. While it does, correctly IMO, refute the notion that Obama is weak and has given only a unsubstantial response, I think the characterization of Bank Rossiya as being, for all intents and purposes, out of business is an exaggeration. I think it also betrays the intent of the authors of the article to create propaganda for domestic consumption.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I saw this. While it does, correctly IMO, refute the notion that Obama is weak and has given only a unsubstantial response, I think the characterization of Bank Rossiya as being, for all intents and purposes, out of business is an exaggeration. I think it also betrays the intent of the authors of the article to create propaganda for domestic consumption.
    I think they can do Business with any bank that doesn't have anything to do with the US. Moreover Putin wouldn't throw in money just to lose it. The EU.....I am sure certain countries will turn that blind eye when it comes to their own benefit.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I think they can do Business with any bank that doesn't have anything to do with the US. Moreover Putin wouldn't throw in money just to lose it. The EU.....I am sure certain countries will turn that blind eye when it comes to their own benefit.
    Indeed, European banks are known to turn a blind eye to anything that stands in the way of them making money.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The truth is that, contrary to what you are putting forward, Putin does not see the USA as cowards.
    He quite accurately sees Barrack Obama as weak and way out of his depth, just as has been during his entire Presidency. It has nothing to do with the American people, apart from those who elected him, and most of them most by now must realize their error.
    Quite the contrary. He sees that the US, through NATO, is trying to push it's way right up to Russia's borders through it's recent activity in Ukraine.
    That is incorrect. When George Bush was President he pushed for Ukarianes membership in NATO but this was rejected by the Western Europeans, the Democrats and, most vociferously, the Russians. We can now see why.

    Putin is a Russian nationalist. What he was faced with in Ukraine is the strong possibility of seeing NATO military might being placed right alongside the seat of Russia's naval power at Sevastopol. No Russian national would stand for that. Therefore he responded in such a strong way. It was a very big strategic blunder to have pushed all the way to Ukraine in this way.
    A strategic blunder by whom? We'll see if Putin dares proceed further into the Ukraine before the US elects a leader in three years and then whether the Russian military can even keep the Crimea into the future when Putin is out and stronger Western leadership is in.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Potentially becoming a new source for glass beads removes any threat from nukes. Russia has little to bargain with, other than Putin's effort to convince people it's still the USSR.
    He already has people rationalizing of why it was natural for Putin to invade a neighboring country and quite likely will continue. This thinking was commonplace throughout the Cold War and still is today.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I think that it was being overly aggressive with our recent moves in Ukraine that got us to this point. So I don't agree with you.
    Which aggressive moves were these?? It was Putin who invaded and that's where any blame belongs.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It's certainly true that Russia is not as powerful as the USSR. However, it is incorrect to say that they are not a power player on the world stage. It's a big mistake to underestimate them in that way.
    Russia is weak but so is western leadership. making it a closer call than it should be.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

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    US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting - The Washington Post



    Thus ends the "new thinking" of Gorbachev. In his speech to a joint session of parliament, Putin said that Ukraine was the line that the US should not have crossed.

    If these people are not careful, this may go down in history as the beginning of WWIII


    I doubt the nukes will be launched anytime soon, but the US is playing a very dangerous game. Putin is on record as having told George W. Bush that he would "tear her apart" should the US try to pry Ukraine to the west. Once again the inexperience of the wonder kid in the Oval office shows. With that on record, they should have known the Russians would have a reaction, and they have. Having apparently been caught by surprise by this move is advantage Putin, as he has clearly been planning this move for a long time.

    While the UN and Obama's "international community" can stomp their little feat, Putin has justification for his moves in the minds of Crimeans and many Russian speaking people in Ukraine, which is where it counts when he wants to stage another referendum.

    I mean, they have imposed "sanctions" on individuals in Russia who don't have assets there. That's serious punishment all right.
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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Well, I just presume that Putin does not have the power to predict the future. That would have to be the case if what you are saying was true.
    Hardly - he'd simply need a plan and choose the right time to implement it. No soothsayer, crystal ball or tarot cards needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Seems the logical view would be that Putin did what he needed to protect his country's interests and may have hoped that this would get him a little leeway on future matters where the U.S. would normally object. Any notion that he was plotting all of this before there was even any hint that he would have the opportunity is quite ridiculous.
    Putin did what he did to EXPAND his country's interest, not protect it. The US simply gave him the keys and showed him the door to open.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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