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    Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    From CNN:

    ...the Kremlin says Ukraine's Crimea region is now part of Russia.

    A signing ceremony Tuesday between Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Prime Minister of Crimea and the mayor of the city of Sevastopol made it official, the Kremlin said in a statement.

    Crimea and Sevastopol, where the Russian Black Sea fleet is based, are now part of the Russian Federation, it said.
    Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine - CNN.com

    This development is not surprising for a number of reasons:

    1. Russia has long viewed Crimea as constituting a crital national interest (naval base, majority ethnic Russian population, history).
    2. The balance of power favored Russia in moving to regain control of Crimea. Ukraine lacked the military power to impose high costs.
    3. Neither the U.S. nor Europe have sufficient interests at stake to consider military options.
    4. A military approach would be impractical under any reasonable circumstances.
    5. The costs of non-military measures are not likely to be so high relative to the gains Russia perceives it will make so as to reverse Russian policy. Russia also has capabilities of retaliating ranging from restricting access to its resources to withdrawing cooperation on major geopolitical matters e.g., Iran's nuclear program. It expects that its ability to complicate U.S. geopolitical goals will constrain the degree of U.S. economic and other non-military sanctions.
    6. Past precedent concerning Kosovo's being separated from Serbia with NATO military force playing a role during what amounted to a civil war.

    In his national address, Russian President Putin has cited a number of those factors. He did disavow intentions to become more broadly involved in Ukraine, but he has shown a willingness to act decisively where he perceives major Russian interests are at stake.

    This development also speaks anew of the need for the U.S. to develop a clear and coherent foreign policy doctrine and relearn how to engage in contingency planning (military and broader foreign policy). It needs to tighten its integration with existing NATO members so as to make clear that NATO members will be safeguarded under any circumstances, even if the use of force is required. In Asia, the U.S. needs to strengthen ties with its leading allies. Japan and South Korea need to know that American commitments to their security are reliable.

    Finally, to maintain military credibility in a world in which the balance of power is dynamic, the President and/or Congress need to abandon planned drastic cuts in military expenditures and manpower, even if that means reducing other expenditures, larger budget deficits than would otherwise be the case, or some combination of reallocated spending/larger budget deficits. Otherwise, the U.S. will be perceived as a great power, but one with declining capabilities. That outcome would rightly worry American allies. It could invite challenges to peripheral American interests by hostile actors.
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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    We should no longer bother to try to prevent Iran or any other nation from developing nuclear weapons. It is vital to the interests of every country to develop a nuclear arsenal. Nor should any country believe a word any nuclear power says including the United States.

    It's official. The United States and NATO are liars acting in conjunction with Russia to divide up the world between us.

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Next stop on Putin's "liberation tour" Moldova.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From CNN:

    Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine - CNN.com

    This development is not surprising for a number of reasons:

    1. Russia has long viewed Crimea as constituting a crital national interest (naval base, majority ethnic Russian population, history).
    2. The balance of power favored Russia in moving to regain control of Crimea. Ukraine lacked the military power to impose high costs.
    3. Neither the U.S. nor Europe have sufficient interests at stake to consider military options.
    4. A military approach would be impractical under any reasonable circumstances.
    5. The costs of non-military measures are not likely to be so high relative to the gains Russia perceives it will make so as to reverse Russian policy. Russia also has capabilities of retaliating ranging from restricting access to its resources to withdrawing cooperation on major geopolitical matters e.g., Iran's nuclear program. It expects that its ability to complicate U.S. geopolitical goals will constrain the degree of U.S. economic and other non-military sanctions.
    6. Past precedent concerning Kosovo's being separated from Serbia with NATO military force playing a role during what amounted to a civil war.

    In his national address, Russian President Putin has cited a number of those factors. He did disavow intentions to become more broadly involved in Ukraine, but he has shown a willingness to act decisively where he perceives major Russian interests are at stake.

    This development also speaks anew of the need for the U.S. to develop a clear and coherent foreign policy doctrine and relearn how to engage in contingency planning (military and broader foreign policy). It needs to tighten its integration with existing NATO members so as to make clear that NATO members will be safeguarded under any circumstances, even if the use of force is required. In Asia, the U.S. needs to strengthen ties with its leading allies. Japan and South Korea need to know that American commitments to their security are reliable.

    Finally, to maintain military credibility in a world in which the balance of power is dynamic, the President and/or Congress need to abandon planned drastic cuts in military expenditures and manpower, even if that means reducing other expenditures, larger budget deficits than would otherwise be the case, or some combination of reallocated spending/larger budget deficits. Otherwise, the U.S. will be perceived as a great power, but one with declining capabilities. That outcome would rightly worry American allies. It could invite challenges to peripheral American interests by hostile actors.
    I'm always grateful when you weigh in on these matters. Thank you for your perspective. Makes perfect sense.

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm always grateful when you weigh in on these matters. Thank you for your perspective. Makes perfect sense.
    I'm convinced sometimes Don works in the state department, he's brilliant.

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Next stop on Putin's "liberation tour" Moldova.
    Doubt that, there is nothing strategic in Moldova and he does not want to add more poor regions to Russia. Easier to just manipulate the politics of Moldova.. you know like the US/UK/France/Germany do all across Eastern Europe.

    If there is any place he might go after, then that is southern parts of Lithuania.. so he can have direct access to the Kaliningrad area. Also here there is a large pro Russian contingent and since Belarus is pro Russian satellite state, then he would have land access to Kaliningrad area. But then we are talking about dealing with a NATO country, and I doubt he wants that. Crimea was a clear strategic move to maintain for good a naval base for the Black Sea Fleet.
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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I'm convinced sometimes Don works in the state department, he's brilliant.
    I agree. I would love to know Don's back story. There is always a very diplomatic approach to his posts that's hard to miss. And an underlying understanding of the world stage and how the actors are playing the game.

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Mornin' DS .....and he cited for International Law, Kosovo's Independence Bid.....which the West stood for and Russia opposed and that the Crimea followed what the Ukraine did in 91 with Russia.

    He also stated he wont be deterred by Sanctions and asked China and India to support him.

    To top it off he even got support from Gorbachev. The West and the US have 4 days to do all they gonna do. Or its over!



    Putin signs treaty for Crimea to join Russia


    The treaty will have to be endorsed by Russia's Constitutional Court and ratified by both houses of parliament, but Valentina Matviyenko, the speaker of upper house of Russian parliament, said the procedure could be completed by the end of the week.

    Earlier in the day, France's Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Europe-1 radio leaders of the Group of Eight world powers "decided to suspend Russia's participation and it is envisaged that all the other countries, the seven leading countries, will unite without Russia."

    The Russian State Duma, the lower chamber of parliament, on Tuesday unanimously passed a resolution condemning U.S. sanctions targeting Russian officials including members of the chamber. The chamber challenged Obama to extend the sanctions to all the 353 deputies who voted for Tuesday's resolution, suggesting that being targeted was a badge of honor. Eighty-eight deputies left the house before the vote.

    But Putin on Tuesday vowed to protect the rights of Crimean Tatars and keep their language as one of Crimea's official tongues, along with Russian and Ukrainian.

    Ukraine's political turmoil has become Europe's most severe security crisis in years. It began in November with a wave of protests after Yanukovych ditched a deal with the 28-nation European Union in favor of closer ties and a bailout loan from Russia. The protests went on for months, prompting Yanukovych to flee to Russia in late February and leading to the installation of a new government.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/putin-signs-tr...125545053.html

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Next stop on Putin's "liberation tour" Moldova.
    I do not think so.

    The majority there is Romanian. Unless they are pro-Russian against their own interests?

    Moldovan/Romanian 78.2%, Ukrainian 8.4%, Russian 5.8%, Gagauz 4.4%, Bulgarian 1.9%, other 1.3% (2004 census)
    Do you mean the Transnistrain region of Moldavia though?

    note: internal disputes with ethnic Slavs in the Transnistrian region
    If so if Transnistrain joins Russia while Moldavia joins Romania I do not see what a problem there may be about this?

    References:

    CIA (2014). World factbook. Retrieved from:
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/md.html
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
    The Republic of Dardania is the proper name for: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...ification.html

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    I don't know the answer to this question, but perhaps some others do.

    Where from and how does Crimea get its electrical power, oil and natural gas supplies, fresh water and sewage systems, food supplies, vehicle and other transportation routes, etc?

    I ask this because if the only current direct land connections between Crimea and the world at large are through mainland Ukraine, wouldn't the first level of sanction that should be put up, with Ukrainian support from outside powers, be a "Berlin Wall" type structure closing off the two main transportation arteries between Crimea and Ukraine and shutting down/off the flow of "utilities" to Crimea? Wouldn't it make some sense to squeeze out the people of Crimea by making them completely beholden to Russia and Russian supplies/support in a full cold war/iron curtain type way?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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