Mornin' CJ. This should give you an idea. But Putin has counted for it.....so it appears.
Vote to join Russia could leave Crimea without water, electricity.....
As Russia’s stranglehold on Crimea tightens, the Ukrainian province to the north is warning it could make life on the peninsula miserable if the coveted region chooses sides with Moscow in Sunday's referendum.
Pro-Moscow officials in Crimea, who favor secession from Ukraine, have said they will seize all utilities and assets owned by the Kiev-based Ukrainian government if the referendum goes as expected. But Crimea's electricity, freshwater and natural gas all flows in from the province of Kherson, where leaders warn they will shut everything off if the referendum they say is illegitimate, goes forward.
Crimea's freshwater flows in from the Kakhov Reservoir in Kherson via the 250-mile North Crimean Aqueduct. The peninsula’s vast orchards and vineyards rely on mainland water supply for their livelihood, as do the people in Crimea’s cities of Simferopol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Sudak and Feodosia.
Just as important to Crimea is the power it gets from the Kakhov and Zaporizhiya hydroelectric power stations in Kherson, which provide the peninsula with 75-80 percent of its electricity needs. Finally, Crimea gets 35 percent of its natural gas delivered through pipelines that extend from the mainland via the Mykolayiv and Kherson regions.
Crimea’s chief gas supplier, Ukraine-owned Chornomornaftogaz, has already been targeted by the Kremlin-backed government that took power following the revolution in Kiev that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych last month. But even if they seize Ukrainian state-owned assets, including gas company Chronornaftogaz, it may prove moot if the raw resources are cut off in Kherson.
In the short term, Crimea cannot survive on its own without money from Kiev, according to observers. The peninsula gets $700 million from the national government each year, and Ukrainian economists have estimated that Crimea would need billions of dollars in new investments to integrate its economy and infrastructure with Russia.....snip~
Vote to join Russia could leave Crimea without water, electricity | Fox News
But Ukraine gets most of it's gas from Russia. Not sure about petrol or electricity.
But it's not impossible to build new energy pipelines from the territory of Russia to the crimean peninsula. It's not that hard.
And I don't think Ukraine will cut off utilities to Crimea. It's not just against human rights but also because it'll hurt a lot of ukrainian supporters, around 250k crimean tartars and about 450k ukranian ethnics. So... that's not an option. It's the reason why Crimea was moved to Ukraine's administrative territory in the 1950s under the USSR. Economical and administrative reasons.
Mornin RM. That's Right.....as then it gives Putin a means to create jobs inside Russia if he needs to. Moreover he already announced they were going ahead with the plans for the Southern Pipeline. Which the EU said they were suspending. Failing to mention they already had the agreement. Which you know what Countries that line feeds. They already had the agreement and are finishing out the finer details before they sign by the end of the month.
As far as our Sanctions.....Look how their Lower parliament acted and then told Obama to put all of them on his Sanctions list. No wonder some Deputy Minister was laughing.
Moreover while France made this move. They also came out and told all that are standing with the Election that goes back to May. Which means they Validate Yanokovich as the Official Elected Government of the Ukraine.
Obama Has 4 Days to Stop Putin.....
Now that Crimea has “voted,” the Obama administration has unveiled sanctions against Russian and Crimean leaders who are linked to what the West is calling Russia’s invasion and subversion in Crimea. But with a fragile ceasefire set to expire by Friday, the sanctions are unlikely to work in time to head off a conflict.
According to one independent analysis being studied by the Kremlin and reviewed by The Daily Beast, such measures could be a drag on the Russian economy over time and an embarrassment for the Russian government, but would only be an “inconvenience” for the Russian economy in the near term. More drastic measures would include going after Russia’s ability to interact in global financial markets, which the analysis calls “disruptive,” and restrictions on Russian energy exports or trade sanctions, which the analysis says would be “catastrophic.”
The analysis by Macro-Advisory, an investment firm operating in Russia, predicts that the West, especially European countries, will not move to impose “disruptive” or “catastrophic” sanctions on Russia until Putin crosses another red line, such as the outright invasion of Ukraine.
“The key risk [for Russia] is Stage 3, i.e. a ban or restrictions on Russia’s interaction in global financial markets and/or any selected restrictions on trade or investment with Russia,” the report stated. “Investors assume that Stage 4 [catastrophic] sanctions are not yet on the agenda simply because these would also have a negative contagion to several EU countries, and many high-profile companies, as well as indirectly on the global economy.”
McFaul as US ambassador was demonized by Russian controlled media and harassed by the country's intelligence service. His private schedule as ambassador in the past would be shared with Russian media, who would ambush him at public events. In more ominous moves, anonymous videos appeared on the internet accusing McFaul of being a child molester. Because of his work on civil society, Russian hardliners have portrayed him as an agent of influence seeking regime change in Moscow.
Last year, in response to the U.S. creation of the Magnistky list, a list of Russian human rights violators subject to sanctions, Russia created its own list of Americans banned from traveling to Russia. The list included Bush administration officials including John Yoo, a former US Justice Department official, David Addington, the chief of staff for former vice-president Dick Cheney, and two former commanders of Guantanamo Bay.....snip~
Last edited by MMC; 03-18-14 at 10:36 AM.
and no matter what we do -even nuclear war- this will still be the case. so, that leaves us a choice. we can run around beating our chests and drawing lines in the sand, or we can nation build here at home.Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine
i vote for the latter. or at least i thought i did.
Last edited by Helix; 03-18-14 at 11:03 AM.
Ukraine almost certainly won't respond by cutting off power or water for two reasons:
1. Such a move would impact civilians and violate humanitarian legal instruments. Ukraine would effectively reposition itself unfavorably globally and risk losing support that it would otherwise gain.
2. Russia has the military power to quickly reverse that situation, so such a move would be temporary and not enforceable.
Ukraine is in a very difficult and vulnerable position. Politically and diplomatically it can and will reject the annexation of Crimea. In terms of practical responses, it is in no position to try to wrest it away from Russia without inviting an existential threat, so it won't attempt to do so.
It also knows that the West is not very likely to intervene militarily in Crimea or even Ukraine. Hence, it will almost certainly try to minimize any rationale for Russia to launch even a limited invasion in the East. That means reassuring Russia that it wants a constructive relationship, avoiding policy measures that would inflame ethnic Russians living in its East who might already be tempted by Crimea's breaking away from Ukraine, and perhaps even limiting any integration with the West to economic integration. The prospect of future military integration with the West might change Russia's current calculus, so Ukraine has already announced that it will not seek NATO membership. Ukraine's hope is to preserve the rest of its territorial integrity, overcome its substantial financial problems, build prosperity within the territory it still possesses through deepened economic collaboration with the West, and limit its rejection of Russia's annexation of Crimea to political and diplomatic protests. Certainly, the transitional government has adopted that stance. Should the upcoming elections produce a more hard-core nationalist government, the risk of miscalculation could increase.
You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.
Seriously though. I think that is where this is going and I do not mind really for it means we join Albania too at last.
How about you though? Would you mind annexing Moldova back again?
ITAR-TASS: Accession of Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia - Crimea should keep revenues and taxes for five years - MP
Looks like it's going to be an economic war instead of a military one.
"Led by the powerhouse lobbying of the American Petroleum Institute, a coalition of Fortune 500 energy companies are using the Ukraine crisis to spur Congress to approve a key policy goal: Easing regulations on the export of U.S. natural gas.
Despite a decade-long boom in U.S. natural gas production, very little of America's vast gas reserves are exported.. That's because strict regulations on the transfer and storage of gas have made it impossible to profitably ship out of the U.S.
Oil and gas companies have paid Washington lobbyists millions in recent years to challenge the strict export rules.....snip~
U.S. Push For Natural Gas Exports To Help Ukraine Won't Actually Help Ukraine