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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep.....they said going back to May.....not the coming Election.
    Going back to May of when? No one was elected in May.

    The French and the EU support the upcoming elections in the Ukraine on May 25, 2014 but if you can provide a link showing I'm wrong I'll naturally be prepared to accept that.

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What do you mean a link?? Both the West and Russia were vying for Ukraine, in the end, Ukraine went with Russia. It was as simple as that. However, fair ball wasn't acceptable to the West and encouragement and support for the violent overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine followed, with the establishment and immediate recognition of a pro-Western government. And you guys think Russia is suppose to take that setting down. Only the non partisan, non patronising see this for what it is.
    You're not even close on this. Where do you get this silliness?

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In the medium-term, the U.S. has the capability to reduce Europe's reliance on Russian energy resources. Such a move would give Europe greater strategic flexibility vis-a-vis Russia. Policy aimed at building greater U.S.-Europe energy ties would be constructive and mutually beneficial for the U.S. and Europe.
    Yes, it would help the US economy tremendously if BHO would open up their energy policies.

    Finally, with respect to Russia's capacity to absorb economic shocks, I don't believe one can underestimate it. During the Soviet era, Russians faced much greater economic challenges than they do today and they demonstrated an extraordinary capacity to cope and endure in the face of hardship. Even if Russia slid into a prolonged recession, I doubt that such an outcome would lead it to give up Crimea. Moreover, Russia has commercial openings that were not available to the Soviet Union. China is one big market that is looking for a lot more Russian energy resources. India is another one. In short, it would be far more difficult to isolate Russia economically than it was to isolate the Soviet Union.
    That the Russian people have faced and endured hardships for several generations during a totalitarian police state is true but there were really no other options available to them. That is not the Russia of today, and I'm not sure either that they share the Putin's feeling about the loss of empire or what sacrifices they would be prepared to make in order to bring it back. Soviet collapse a 'tragedy,' Putin says - World news | NBC News

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Going back to May of when? No one was elected in May.

    The French and the EU support the upcoming elections in the Ukraine on May 25, 2014 but if you can provide a link showing I'm wrong I'll naturally be prepared to accept that.

    Yeah sure thing Grant.....here it is from Reuters.

    Sanctions on Russia over Ukraine could come this week: France


    French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Tuesday that sanctions against Russia over Ukraine could be imposed as early as this week if Moscow failed to respond positively to a proposition designed to calm the crisis.

    Fabius told radio station France Inter that a referendum in the Crimea region on joining Russia set for March 16 was illegitimate and that the annexation of the region by Russia would be illegal.

    "We cannot accept something that is illegal and which will also have very serious consequences," Fabius said.

    The minister said the "only legitimate vote" was that for the president of Ukraine on May 25.....snip~

    Sanctions on Russia over Ukraine could come this week: France

    Sanctions on Russia over Ukraine could come this week: France | Reuters
    Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:54am EDT <<<<< !

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That the Russian people have faced and endured hardships for several generations during a totalitarian police state is true but there were really no other options available to them. That is not the Russia of today, and I'm not sure either that they share the Putin's feeling about the loss of empire or what sacrifices they would be prepared to make in order to bring it back.
    I fully agree. I believe there are domestic limits on how far President Putin could go, even as his government has demonstrated a willingness to suppress dissent in the past. Crimea, though, is probably a "safe" choice for him. It had been part of Russia until President Kruschnev gifted it to Ukraine and remains a part of the Russian identity. One can't say the same about other neighboring countries or regions. I don't think it's a coincidence that Russia did not annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but annexed Crimea.

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
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    The minister said the "only legitimate vote" was that for the president of Ukraine on May 25[/B].....snip~
    I think it should read "will be" rather than "was". If it was May 25, what year was it?

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think it should read "will be" rather than "was". If it was May 25, what year was it?
    Last May.....Yanokovich was elected as President. Then he went and took the Russian trade deal. Then he was coupd' out. Now we see what comes from when the West allows a Democracy to be thrown out of power and looks to ignore what was done. Especially with all they preach.

    Hence.....Putin on the Ritz.




    So says Puddin!

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Iraq didnt attack the west or break international laws?
    Iraq didn't attack the US or the UK. The US breaks international laws, so does the UK and probably every other country.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're not even close on this. Where do you get this silliness?
    Can't understand how you could disagree.

    Point by point, the EU/US and Russia all were negotiating with the Ukraine, for several years.


    In the end Ukraine felt they were getting a better deal with Russia and went with it.


    The EU/US didn't like it and immediate supported a violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government and supported the "new" pro-West government.


    Russia isn't going to stand for that, no more than we would have, had Ukraine went with the EU deal and Russia had intervened in and supported the violent overthrow of the government and recognised as the "new" government, one that was pro-Russian.

    And you know this to be true.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kremlin: Crimea and Sevastopol are now part of Russia, not Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Last May.....Yanokovich was elected as President. Then he went and took the Russian trade deal. Then he was coupd' out. Now we see what comes from when the West allows a Democracy to be thrown out of power and looks to ignore what was done. Especially with all they preach.

    Hence.....Putin on the Ritz.




    So says Puddin!
    I still don't think so. Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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