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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Ohhhhh I'm sure Putin is SO SCARED he's shaking in his little space boots.

    What an absolute joke.
    Heya PG. Well now we have to worry about that Nuke deal. Which they mentioned to us last week. I sure hope our people didn't forget.


    Russia may suspend arms inspection deal with U.S. over Ukraine: reports


    Russia may suspend nuclear arms inspections set down in a treaty with the United States in reaction to Western sanctions over Ukraine, Russian news agencies quoted an unnamed defense ministry source on Saturday as saying.

    The source said the ministry was studying the possibility of suspending on-site inspections agreed in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) between Moscow and Washington.

    The United States suspended military cooperation such as joint exercises and port visits with Russia on Monday as Washington sought ways to punish Moscow over its intervention in Ukraine without escalating the crisis.

    "The ungrounded threats to Russia from the US and NATO over its Ukrainian policy are regarded by us as an unfriendly gesture and allow us to announce force majeure," the unnamed source is quoted as saying by the state-owned RIA Novosti news agency.

    The treaty allows each side to conduct 18 on-site inspections per year in the other country.....snip~

    Russia may suspend arms inspection deal with U.S. over Ukraine: reports

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is no advantage for China to side with Russia on this issue and the Chinese know it.

    Why would China jeopardize its North American and European markets for Russia? China knows Russia is weak militarily, economically and demographically and have already moved into Eastern Russia while the Kremlin can do little about it. Whatever China might say publicly is in contradiction to their moves on the Russian borders.

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    There is no advantage for them to side with the US in this either. They'll stay neutral as they have been. Maybe make a few promises to get something they want, you know, like Taiwan. They've already "joined" Russia in the security council in this way - they abstain from any UN resolution against Russia. Russia vetoes and voila, the UN is taken off the table.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What would be a strong response in your mind?
    No response would have been better than that response. He pretty much said, "do that again, young man, and you're grounded!"

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Putin is selling gas at well below World market prices to Ukraine. For this "cheap/subsidized" gas Ukraine is $2 billion behind on payments to Russia. Putin has given from the Russian pocketbook billions of dollars to help Ukraine, no strings attached. Who is the good guy here. The USA is talking loans, the IMF, reduced pensions, increased Energy prices, devalued currency, and loans with tentacles that could cause Ukraine to lose its' patrimony (collective national assets), Who is the good guy? What's complicated about this?
    BHO is probably experiencing what some might call deja vu in the way he has gotten votes from many people in this country. Give no-strings freebies. So who is going to be the good guy not only in the Ukraine, but more importantly, on the world stage? We should not have become involved in this, as this could backfire on BHO, as Putin could point out that he isn't doing anything that BHO hasn't already done, "to help the downtrodden!"

    Greetings, DaveFagan.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is no advantage for them to side with the US in this either.
    But it isn't the US standing alone on this. All the democracies will stand together if the leading democracies take control, as they appear to be doing. Who are the Russian Allies?


    They'll stay neutral as they have been. Maybe make a few promises to get something they want, you know, like Taiwan. They've already "joined" Russia in the security council in this way - they abstain from any UN resolution against Russia. Russia vetoes and voila, the UN is taken off the table.
    Whatever the Chinese do now is not as important as their long terms plans, and these do not include any serious relationship with a terminally weak Russia.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    No response would have been better than that response. He pretty much said, "do that again, young man, and you're grounded!"
    So you're criticizing the President for not giving a strong response but your answer is to give no response at all? Seriously what do you think the US should have done instead, come on now.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    No response would have been better than that response. He pretty much said, "do that again, young man, and you're grounded!"
    Maybe this is what he meant by more flexibility?





    I know that was a low blow.... I apologize ....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So you're criticizing the President for not giving a strong response but your answer is to give no response at all? Seriously what do you think the US should have done instead, come on now.
    Stay the **** out of it and let the folks in the region handle their affairs. The EU are the Daddy superpower in this case, not the US.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Maybe this is what he meant by more flexibility? I know that was a low blow.... I apologize ....
    Nonetheless, it would be interesting to know what he really meant by that, given what's been going on in the Middle East and eastern Europe since he was re-elected.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So you're criticizing the President for not giving a strong response but your answer is to give no response at all? Seriously what do you think the US should have done instead, come on now.
    I agree with him. Giving a weak response is worse than no response. No response says it is none of our business. That's what the Chinese did. A weak response says we are weak. What should we have done? We should have sent a couple of carriers into the Mediterranean and a bomber wing to Ukraine. We should have asked the Poles to allow us to replace those missiles in their country. We should have announced an initiative to develop the infrastructure to sell LNG to Europe. We actually burn off American natural gas because we don't have a use for the amount we have available. Those actions would have a chance of deterring Russia from any further invasions. Maybe not but it wouldn't be weak.

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