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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    My guess is a "tit for tat" response and that US individuals and Corporations in Russia will have accounts and assets frozen, land and facilities nationalized, and a discreet campaign to devalue the dollar with market manipulations usually done by the US Treasury Deptartments PPT (Plunge Protiction Team). Likely will be very expensive for both sides. Russia is not in debt. USA owes ???? $200 Trillion counting unfunded liabilities. Can we afford this?
    can russia afford the world econemy tanking as a result of our econemy tanking?
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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    My guess is a "tit for tat" response and that US individuals and Corporations in Russia will have accounts and assets frozen, land and facilities nationalized, and a discreet campaign to devalue the dollar with market manipulations usually done by the US Treasury Deptartments PPT (Plunge Protiction Team). Likely will be very expensive for both sides. Russia is not in debt. USA owes ???? $200 Trillion counting unfunded liabilities. Can we afford this?

    Heya DF .....I was wondering what it will cost us in order to do what we offered to do?


    Led by the powerhouse lobbying of the American Petroleum Institute, a coalition of Fortune 500 energy companies are using the Ukraine crisis to spur Congress to approve a key policy goal: Easing regulations on the export of U.S. natural gas.

    Despite a decade-long boom in U.S. natural gas production, very little of America's vast gas reserves are exported.. That's because strict regulations on the transfer and storage of gas have made it impossible to profitably ship out of the U.S.

    Oil and gas companies have paid Washington lobbyists millions in recent years to challenge the strict export rules -- to no avail, until now."


    U.S. Push For Natural Gas Exports To Help Ukraine Won't Actually Help Ukraine

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Ignorance is bliss. They have oil and energy they don't need dollars.
    Dollars are just a medium of exchange. It's also the most accepted currency worldwide. The need dollars because most people selling things to them don't want Rubles. They'll accept something like Euro's but if anything has become evident the dollar has by far been the most stable currency in the world. The Euro which was talked about as a replacement to the dollar has shown some weaknesses. Ignorance is some idea that Russia has chosen to use the dollar for a lot of it's trade for anything other than necessity.

    They also have gold
    Well that's a dead end. Who wants to deal with a volatile commodity like gold as exchange. It can lose 40% of it's value in the matter of weeks. That's great for someone exporting.

    Russia has already lead discussions of moving from the dollar to a world currency under the auspice of the UN - look it up.
    That's a dead end. What exactly would that currency be backed by? The full faith and credit of the United Nations? Bwahaha!

    f you think the dollar is safe your beloved govt won't save you when its used as toilet paper.
    If anything the recent economic collapse has proven that the dollar isn't going anywhere anytime soon...
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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Can you name any world reserve currency that lasted more than a 50 years? When did the world start with the dollar - early 1970's?
    What world reserve currencies have existed except the dollar! Gold was a commodity used as a currency. Any currency was supposedly based on the gold backing it or further back the actual amount of gold found physically in the currency.

    The US dollar is the only major reserve currency to ever exist until the Euro came on the stage.
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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Last I read, China may have 6,000 tons of gold on hand. Yep, they have been planning on doing something for a long, long time! They'd like to have the yuan included in a new basket of currencies, backed by gold, in place of the US dollar, and major world newspapers, including those in the US, are finally starting to editorialize this news.

    BTW, China also has agreements with Brazil, Australia, and South Africa, among others, to bypass the dollar in certain transactions.

    Greetings, MMC.

    Afternoon Lady P .....Indeed all the BRIC Nations. Plus lets not forget the Saudi and some others in the ME that want the US dollar removed as the Worlds Reserve Currency.

    But.....now we have an UPDATE.....As Putin and Russia has responded in return. Now we have trouble if Putin pushes on.



    Russia calls on Ukraine to be a federal state......


    Russia's foreign ministry is calling on Ukraine to become a federal state and call fresh elections.

    In a statement posted on Monday the ministry urged Ukraine's parliament to call a constitutional assembly which could draft a new constitution to make the country federal, handing more power to its regions.

    Moscow insisted that Ukrainian regions should get broader autonomy and that the country should adopt a "neutral political and military status.".....snip~

    Russia calls on Ukraine to be a federal state


    Btw Note the Pics of the Pro Russian Celebrations.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya DF .....I was wondering what it will cost us in order to do what we offered to do?


    Led by the powerhouse lobbying of the American Petroleum Institute, a coalition of Fortune 500 energy companies are using the Ukraine crisis to spur Congress to approve a key policy goal: Easing regulations on the export of U.S. natural gas.

    Despite a decade-long boom in U.S. natural gas production, very little of America's vast gas reserves are exported.. That's because strict regulations on the transfer and storage of gas have made it impossible to profitably ship out of the U.S.

    Oil and gas companies have paid Washington lobbyists millions in recent years to challenge the strict export rules -- to no avail, until now."


    U.S. Push For Natural Gas Exports To Help Ukraine Won't Actually Help Ukraine
    I stated once before that the USA wants to fill the Ukraine pipeline from the Atlantic Coast. The low cost gas from Russia is one thing that prevented that. They expect Russia to put the squeeze on the gas to Europe through the Ukraine. It's very fortunate that it has been a mild winter in Europe and Ukraine and there are some reserves. Push comes to shove in the first week of April when the current gss contract between Russia and Ukraine is renewed. Ukraine is $2 Billion behind on payments for gas that they were getting at well below World prices, thanks to Putin's/Russia's generosity. Methinks they had better have $2 Billion in cash to settle current accounts and expect the price to be at World Market prices and also only 30 day contracts because of their poor payment record. Russia has UE and Ukraine by the short hairs in this matter. The only good thing is that Putin has always been good to Ukrainians and he still might have a soft spot in his heart if the Kiev regime can organize the collective will to pull their heads out of their asses.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I stated once before that the USA wants to fill the Ukraine pipeline from the Atlantic Coast. The low cost gas from Russia is one thing that prevented that. They expect Russia to put the squeeze on the gas to Europe through the Ukraine. It's very fortunate that it has been a mild winter in Europe and Ukraine and there are some reserves. Push comes to shove in the first week of April when the current gss contract between Russia and Ukraine is renewed. Ukraine is $2 Billion behind on payments for gas that they were getting at well below World prices, thanks to Putin's/Russia's generosity. Methinks they had better have $2 Billion in cash to settle current accounts and expect the price to be at World Market prices and also only 30 day contracts because of their poor payment record. Russia has UE and Ukraine by the short hairs in this matter. The only good thing is that Putin has always been good to Ukrainians and he still might have a soft spot in his heart if the Kiev regime can organize the collective will to pull their heads out of their asses.

    Well DF.....looks like Putin just upped the Ante, didn't he? Now he wants the Ukraine as a Federal State.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Just a question - why do a bunch of Russian party officials have assets in the US to be frozen in the first place? Wouldn't they keep those in some banking country like the Caymans or Switzerland? And do US "officials" have assets in Russia that can be likewise frozen?

    Seems to me it's a pretty meaningless gesture and a ramp up to legitimate calls for war on the Russian's part. There is no UN resolution, so the US is unilaterally freezing accounts of the leaders of a nation that has done it absolutely no wrong.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    can russia afford the world econemy tanking as a result of our econemy tanking?
    Doesn't have to. Just replace the default with the Yuan instead of the dollar. The world goes on just fine, the Ruble will be worth tons more and the US will suck for air.

    This is extrordinarily stupid getting involved in this. No good can come of it.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Doesn't have to. Just replace the default with the Yuan instead of the dollar. The world goes on just fine, the Ruble will be worth tons more and the US will suck for air.

    This is extrordinarily stupid getting involved in this. No good can come of it.
    russia and china would feel the pain if our treasury bonds collapsed.
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