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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    What if the collapse is already being orchestrated? Many countries are concerned by our debt and continued spending, and have been actively pushing for a new "basket of currencies" backed by gold, to replace the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. If and when that ever happens, we are in big trouble! When newspapers like the Financial Times start talking about it, it's apparently not "fluff." I don't know that Russia is part of that, but I suppose they could be.

    Greetings, clownboy.
    First, get a good background for what is happening, then draw conclusions. Cui bono? Who benefits is always a good start. The linked article gives the major details of the Ukraine economy and the status (billionaires) of the players. I've only quoted Item 6, but all are worth reading.

    Who Benefits From Ukraine

    "Who Benefits From Ukraine’s Economic Crisis? (Hint: Not Average Ukrainians)
    by Jack Rasmus"

    "6. Ukraine Crony Capitalists-USA Capitalists Connections

    Little has been written to date about the close connections between the Ukraine’s ‘crony capitalists’ pro-western wing’s connections to western capitalist interests, and USA capitalists in particular.

    There are two wings of Ukrainian ‘cronys’—the pro-western and the pro-Russian. Both are composed of opportunist bureaucrats of the Soviet era turned capitalist when the Soviet Union imploded more than 20 years ago. Both wings have been fighting it out openly since the Orange Revolution of 2004, now one in ascendancy, now the other. The pro-western wing is loosely associated with the ‘Fatherland’ Party, once led by Timoshenko and her predecessors; the other by Yanukovich and his predecessors, associated with the ‘Regions’ Party. All the top politicians in both are multi-millionaires and billionaires, having alternating between themselves in raping the Ukraine economically for more than two decades now. The Ukraine in the early 1990s had an economy and standard of living well above the other new ex-Soviet Republics. Today its GDP and average income is less than Belarus and well below Russia’s.

    The Yanukovich cronies have been deposed in the recent coup of February 22, or are at least in retreat economically and trying to consolidate their economic forces. Ousted from political control are Yanukovich and ‘Regions’ party billionaire cronies like Rinat Akhmetov, richest man in the Ukraine worth $15 billion, with big holdings in energy and metals; Vadim Novinsky, the third richest; Dymtro Firtash, with billions in chemicals, banking and real estate, who was recently arrested in western Europe; and Sehiy Tihipko, former head of the Ukraine central bank.

    The Fatherland party billionaires are now in control, with their very wealthy compatriot, newly minted prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, running the new government. But behind the scenes lurk the real new crony powerbrokers.

    At the top of this list is Victor Pinchuk, the second richest man in the Ukraine with an empire in Media and other business interests. His foundation has been central in funding NGOs (non-government organizations) in the Ukraine, which have been the conduits for western money to help destabilize the Ukraine for years. Pinchuk’s foundation works closely with Yatsenyuk’s foundation. Pinchuk is also close to Wall St. and the Council on Foreign Relations in the USA, the premier foreign policy strategy organization of capitalists in the US. Pinchuk is also on the board of the Petersen Institute in the USA, another key organization influencing US economic and foreign policy. Pinchuk interfaces frequently with the Clinton and Blair Foundations, and is a major participant in the annual gathering of big capitalists at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. He is friends with Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

    Below Pinchuk are other key crony-billonaires like Igor Turchynov, interim President and Speaker of the Ukrainian parliament; Stepan Kuban, who heads the new Ukrainian central bank; Sergey Tartuta, billionaire coal and steel boss with extensive holdings in eastern Ukraine, who was just recently appointed the new governor of the Donetsk region in the east after the Yatsenyuk team fired its previous pro-Yanukovich governor. Tartuta has close economic ties with Poland and Hungarian capitalists. Still another is Ihor Kolomysky, similarly appointed in recent weeks as new governor of the Dnepopetrovsk region in the eastern Ukraine.

    These billionaires who are either themselves in the Ukrainian parliament, or who were and continue to control blocks of 30-50 votes each, were undoubtedly behind the ‘inside strategy’ of the February 22 Coup. The ‘outside strategy’ was driven by the proto-fascists on the street and in Maidan square. As the latter stepped up the attack outside the Parliament, on the inside the vote to depose Yanukovich took place, as some of his own cronies deserted him to join the ‘Fatherland’ cronies—no doubt convinced in part by threats that arose simultaneously from the west that their assets in Swiss and Luxembourg banks would be frozen. As for the Maidan proto-fascists—the elements of the Svoboda party, the ‘Right Sector’, the UPA, and others—they have been nicely rewarded for their assistance with no fewer than six key positions in the new post-coup government of Yatsenyuk. These include formal positions of police and military power, such as Oleksandr Sych, new vice-premier (second to Yatsenyuk); Andrey Parubiy, National Security Secretary and head of the National Security Council; Dmytro Yarosh, Deputy Secretary for National Security; and Oleh Makhnitsky, Chief Prosecutor; Dimitri Balaatov, Minister of Youth. It is clear the proto-fascists have chosen positions in the government that will allow them to build, arm and organize their street gangs better in the future, now under official government cover."

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ya and that one happened 150 years ago, don't forget that part.
    So this is payback?

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    What else do we want? To go to war? Take a hatchet to the world's economy?

    If a foreign government seized your entire retirement savings; would that not cause you to be angry? ... This is a perfectly legitimate and finely tuned move. The point here is not necessarily abject punishment nor throwing a yoke the world's prosperity, but to have the Russian government know that that they are alone in this fight. Ukraine is now permanently outside of Russia's grasp. The Balkans are Russia-wary, and Poland and the Baltic states are now rigidly hostile towards Russia.

    This is noticeably unpopular in civilian Russia. The non-state media has been entirely closed down, which is infuriating and motivating to the opposition. The Russian economy and stock market has sharply dropped. The G8 has been canceled. Even Russia's closest allies like Kazakhstan are freaked out and alarmed. What Putin has traded is the stability of his autocratic state and the wealth of his advisers for a small, impoverished region filled with a minority of incredibly bitter Tartars and ethnic Ukrainians.
    We need to support the Ukrainians with guns and training.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So this is payback?
    No this is about not letting a country violate the sovereignty of another without consequences. What the **** is this response supposed to mean? Are you just babbling on without any train of thought at all? I mean seriously you're bringing up the Mexican American War as justification for Russia's actions, how the **** are the two related?

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    So what kind of sanctions are set against these individuals? They cannot leave Russia? Their assets outside of Russia will be frozen? What?
    Heya DDD. Yep froze assets and issued travel bans.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We need to support the Ukrainians with guns and training.
    Do you really think EU like it in the background.
    Dude, EU is not is the side of US regarding the Ukraine issue. They want to deal it by their own way.
    Beside of what is showed in the 1st picture, EU doesn't like/want to support US, and even US government know it.
    Envidia te mata !!!

    The blind leading the blind !!!


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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    No this is about not letting a country violate the sovereignty of another without consequences. What the **** is this response supposed to mean? Are you just babbling on without any train of thought at all? I mean seriously you're bringing up the Mexican American War as justification for Russia's actions, how the **** are the two related?
    I didn't bring it up - YOU did.

    Now, explain to us what motivation the US has for meddling in this matter?

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    I am referring to your complete faith in the dollar. If the dollar won't pay for your food what will you do? If it's toilet paper status won't cover your gas to get to work then what? As I said I'm sure you can trust your beloved govt to put you ahead of the dictator of the day and his gold game.

    BTW take gold in 1914 and take it again today....same amount. Now do the same with "dollars" and which has more buying power today vs then? Just curious.


    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Reserve currencies are a new concept. The old "reserve currency" was gold.


    By "compete" you mean almost non-existent? Sure...a bank probably has some reserve currency of it's largest trading partners but the Euro and Dollar make up like 85% of reserve currency held by central banks.


    What are you even talking about?

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Still trying to understand why those Russian officials might have any assets stored in the US to begin with.

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    Re: U.S. announces Sanctions against Russian Officials......

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I didn't bring it up - YOU did.

    Now, explain to us what motivation the US has for meddling in this matter?
    You brought it up dude

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, just saying we both take such actions within our sphrere of influence. The Ukraine is so far out of our sphere of influence that us taking any action is like Russia levelling sanctions against the US for our treatment of Mexico.

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