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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, they use books, and lesson plans....



    Another book used in Kindergarten's across the country that has caused controversy...



    And it wasn't a picture that sparked the response, the article referenced a "life sized model"
    So they shouldn't teach kindergartners that all families are different. Even though they may know a kid in their class whose parents are gay? You're ok with singling that kid out for ridicule? Anything else they shouldn't show? Interracial? Hippies? I agree that showing the kiss was going a bit too far, but I don't disagree with teaching kids that all families are not alike. All people are not alike, we shouldn't be teaching that they are. Besides, I thought it was liberals who thought everybody should think the same thing.

    Picture, model, whatever...would you feel better about having a Planned Parenthood group that showed all the different procedures using models instead of films?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I could see the whole thing being a real learning experience.

    • Your group must have a permit.
    • Permits must be requested four weeks before the scheduled exhibit/demonstration.
    • Only one permit per school year per group.
    • Exhibit/demonstration/whatever to be held only at ________________, leaving another set of doors open and group-free.
    • Maximum number of students. Maximum floor space.


    IOW, regulate what they're doing. Don't forbid it. If the group is allowed in the school, then the group is allowed a permit to exhibit.
    Thats why they shouldn't be allowed in the school during regular school hours. After-school hours is a different story. If kids choose to participate in a learning experience after school, they should absolutely be allowed that right. But school hours should be reserved for basic education.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, there are a few things obviously left out of this dust up at this school, and the reporting of it...

    1. What's wrong with showing the development of a baby?

    2. What was on the poster boards?

    3. Don't groups sanctioned within a high school have teacher advisers?

    The article leaves questions, such as

    1. What was the display depicting?

    2. Were the students just educating on the levels of gestation?

    3. Why is the development of a child in the womb, "controversial"?

    It certainly is told to us that it is fine to broach subjects like homosexuality to kindergartners, are we to think that high school students aren't equipped to see how a baby in the womb develops?
    Usually that is taught in "health' class. Should we hand over teaching on gestation to school groups? Should the information be reviewed by health instructors and sanctioned or denied based on "correct" information?


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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So they shouldn't teach kindergartners that all families are different. Even though they may know a kid in their class whose parents are gay? You're ok with singling that kid out for ridicule? Anything else they shouldn't show? Interracial? Hippies? I agree that showing the kiss was going a bit too far, but I don't disagree with teaching kids that all families are not alike. All people are not alike, we shouldn't be teaching that they are. Besides, I thought it was liberals who thought everybody should think the same thing.

    Picture, model, whatever...would you feel better about having a Planned Parenthood group that showed all the different procedures using models instead of films?
    "Right after we recite the ABCs, we're going to talk about why Bobby has two mommies and no daddy."

    Yeah, that's what kindergarten is about. You betcha.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Usually that is taught in "health' class. Should we hand over teaching on gestation to school groups? Should the information be reviewed by health instructors and sanctioned or denied based on "correct" information?
    You mean like we already did with Planned Parenthood and DARE? As to that last, was the issue really that inaccurate info was being presented?

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How is the school taking a position? And why are you talking about discussing "the political issue"? We have absolutely no indication that the exhibit was political. It's biology. If that's where the school wants to take it, to the political realm, that's their problem.

    People always criticize our public schools for not fostering independent thought. This is a classic example of that.
    Pro-life is a political position. The group was wanting to use displays to push their agenda. It's a political issue.

    There's nothing wrong with independent thought, but this had nothing to do with independent thought. This was one group trying to persuade others. Cultivating independent thought would be creating an environment conducive to questioning and debating.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do I have evidence? You mean other than the teaching materials that have been documented to have been used?
    So you have evidence that THIS PRINCIPAL used teaching materials saying homosexuality is okay in kindergarten?

    I would like to see said evidence please.

    I don't understand why you would choose to deny that
    I don't deny there are likely schools which have. But we're not talking about those schools, we're talking about this school. Please provide your evidence THIS school and its principal have. Thank you.

    How about what is "unfair" to the students, and their rights?
    There is no such thing as the right to use fetus displays in school.

    That you or I agree, or disagree with the principle of this particular school is irrelevant.
    No, it's completely relevant. You're accusing him of hypocrisy, so you need to show his hypocrisy.

    And that you say the school shouldn't take a position on such charged topic, well, they did, didn't they?
    No, they didn't.

    As for "appropriate times", and "fact based", who decides that? You?
    If you don't know when or what those are, perhaps you're not in a position to judge the school?

    What does it matter if it is in the hall at lunch time, or at the end of the day at dismissal?
    I don't know that it does. It does however matter if it's when students are eating or when students are in a class to learn and discuss it in a moderated manner.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    I don't think schools should officially recognize student groups with a partisan or religious agenda. But students should still be free to create their own groups and meet during recesses or after school.

    Students have a right to express their political opinions with their clothing/appearance and during recesses or after school. Those kids have a right to express their views during lunch hour and the level of controversy should not be a reason to ban it.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You mean like we already did with Planned Parenthood and DARE? As to that last, was the issue really that inaccurate info was being presented?
    You are confusing advocate groups with student based groups. It is presumed that advocate groups present a informed perspective. That can be debated...but there is no presumption that information presented by a student group is accurate.

    Life size photo of a fetus is not the total of the information presented. A photo of a life size fetus is not information. A life size fetus at what stage? Life size means what?

    A life size photo of a first trimester fetus can be shown on a 4" X 4" placard. Is that what was being displayed?


    dont argue abortion using these kids. Stand on your own.


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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    *shrug*
    What would they do?
    This is what they would do. Sex Education in Schools - Planned Parenthood - New York City
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Both good posts Maggie, and lizzie....I agree that the Principle over reacted here, but how do we get to a point in our primary education system where school administrators are so afraid of repercussion, that they will over react like this?
    What should be clear here, at least to me, is that the likely source of complaints for this came from the teaching staff in the school. At least here in Canada, and I suspect also in the US, teacher unions are on the forefront of pushing social liberalism, often marching in pro-abortion rights demonstrations, etc. Teacher unions frequently pass association policy positions that are pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and a host of other big government social intrusions into society. As a result, they would be loathe to sanction anything pro-life. This display was not too controversial for the students in public school, who are generally far more open minded and sponges soaking up information, but was too controversial for the one voice/one position teaching "professionals" who rule education these days.
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