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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Do you have evidence THIS principal said it's okay to discuss homosexuality with kindergartners? Unique people are unique. They are in different schools with different communities and different values. Trying to compare a school from one school from one town in one state to a different school in a different town in a different state is unfair.

    Furthermore, I agree with the principal's decision. The school should not take a position on either side of such a politically charged issue. There's nothing wrong with discussing the political issue, but it should be done at the appropriate times, with fact based literature. A student pro-life group setting up displays at lunch time does not meet those standards.
    Do I have evidence? You mean other than the teaching materials that have been documented to have been used? I don't understand why you would choose to deny that..."Unfair"? How about what is "unfair" to the students, and their rights?

    That you or I agree, or disagree with the principle of this particular school is irrelevant. And that you say the school shouldn't take a position on such charged topic, well, they did, didn't they? As for "appropriate times", and "fact based", who decides that? You? It is clear today that in our polarized culture, the easiest way to stifle a position is to just claim that which you don't agree with is not based in "fact". As for the timing, I don't really see the problem with showing what a baby looks like at say 28 weeks in the womb, and demonstrating that with a life sized model...What does it matter if it is in the hall at lunch time, or at the end of the day at dismissal?
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    I think it's worth remembering that this is an entirely one-sided article, reporting only what the student claims the principle said to her. Exactly what he objected to and why hasn't been established.

    That's sufficient for the same old silly political arguments but not for any kind of rational debate. I guess it depends which you all want to have.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Personally, I am against ANY after-school group displaying material during school hours. If this were after school or at a week-end event I would support it.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes, but they don't do that by showing gay porn in the classroom.

    I think a picture of a fetus is starting to border on what should be left to Health class. But I guess this "they can't do whatever they want" feeds your CPC, so go for it.
    No, they use books, and lesson plans....

    BY JAKE TAPPER and AVERY MILLER
    "My wife and I have religious beliefs that say to us it's a sin," David Parker said. He's referring to four pages in a book his 5-year-old son was given by his Massachusetts kindergarten teachers.

    The book "Who's In a Family" -- included in a "diversity book bag" for students at Estabrook Elementary School -- is about all kinds of families, including multi-racial, single parent and, to Parker's chagrin, same-sex parents.

    There are two main issues in this controversy, which are being debated far beyond the Estabrook school: Is teaching kids about gays and lesbians tolerance or propaganda? And how much control do parents have over what their children are taught?

    In several conversations by phone, mail and e-mail, Parker asked teachers and officials at the school to notify him any time the subject of homosexuality was discussed in class.

    "When affirmation and normalization of these lifestyles come up, parents want to know about [it] and have the option to opt out," he said.

    Dr. Paul Ash, superintendent of Lexington Public Schools, said the school tried to be accommodating.

    "The school department said, 'Look, we'll work with you, but we cannot assure you what a child is going to say and that we can immediately stop a discussion that you find objectionable,'" said Ash. "One of the central units in kindergarten is the discussion of families and we show families of all different types." Ash says the discussions "ended up in an irreconcilable difference."

    Culture War Hits Kindergarten - ABC News
    Another book used in Kindergarten's across the country that has caused controversy...

    King & King's LGBT content - it is believed to be the first image of two men romantically kissing portrayed in a children's book[11] - has led many social conservatives to challenge it, on both a local and a national level. These challenges have included attempts to ban the book, to prevent it being used as a teaching tool, or to restrict children's exposure to it by removing it from school or public library shelves or by placing it in sections which young children cannot access.[6]

    King & King - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And it wasn't a picture that sparked the response, the article referenced a "life sized model"
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Personally, I am against ANY after-school group displaying material during school hours. If this were after school or at a week-end event I would support it.
    Ok, I can see that viewpoint....So, if say the chess club wanted to have a display at lunch to interest people in chess, you'd be against that? why?
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think everyone (read "the principal" here) is so damned afraid of being called on the carpet that they tend to err on the side of what they deem is caution. Of course it's ridiculous. If kids aren't seeing pictures of fetus development in science or biology in high school, their education is lacking. Having a hands-on exhibit at lunchtime? What's the problem?
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But yet, they wouldn't permit images of birth outside of the science classroom.

    Nor would they permit a pro-choice group.

    I guess I'm glad my children's school district is more reasonable and not relying on extremes and shock to terrify students into various views.
    Wonder if Planned Parenthood is allowed?
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Wonder if Planned Parenthood is allowed?
    In the form of a ProChoice group, I think they should be. Let's face it....these kinds of controversial things help kids sort out good and bad decisions and grow.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Wonder if Planned Parenthood is allowed?
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I can see that viewpoint....So, if say the chess club wanted to have a display at lunch to interest people in chess, you'd be against that? why?
    I would be. Not that that I have anything against chess....its just that when you open it up to one group, you have to open it to all and there are some after-school groups that I don't think are appropriate for the school day. I have no problem with after-school groups using school facilities including religious groups, gay rights groups etc. But after-school or weekend use allows students an opportunity to choose to participate or not. When it is during the school day, it is more difficult to avoid. If you allow chess, you allow proseletyzing by religious groups during the school day.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I would be. Not that that I have anything against chess....its just that when you open it up to one group, you have to open it to all and there are some after-school groups that I don't think are appropriate for the school day. I have no problem with after-school groups using school facilities including religious groups, gay rights groups etc. But after-school or weekend use allows students an opportunity to choose to participate or not. When it is during the school day, it is more difficult to avoid. If you allow chess, you allow proseletyzing by religious groups during the school day.
    I could see the whole thing being a real learning experience.

    • Your group must have a permit.
    • Permits must be requested four weeks before the scheduled exhibit/demonstration.
    • Only one permit per school year per group.
    • Exhibit/demonstration/whatever to be held only at ________________, leaving another set of doors open and group-free.
    • Maximum number of students. Maximum floor space.


    IOW, regulate what they're doing. Don't forbid it. If the group is allowed in the school, then the group is allowed a permit to exhibit.

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