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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    That is simply not true and it is silly at best. Everyone knows that abortion is not religion and everyone also knows that even though there are some atheist who oppose abortion, by far most abortion opposition comes from religious groups and their arguments being religion driven is enough to go against the establishment clause.
    No, it's not. Religion isn't the base in that situation. The Establishment Clause deals with government recognition and restriction of religion. The government may not establish religion or promote one over the other. That has nothing to do with abortion, which is not a religious topic. Atheists can be pro-life, for instance. Christians can be pro-choice. It's not based on religion, it's just that many people happen to be religious. Coincidence is not causation.

    That shouldn't need to be stated.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Political education is part of education as well. It seems to me that perhaps this group did think for themselves and that's why some of y'all are in a tizzy over it.
    Political education is one thing. I don't oppose teaching things like civics or political history at the appropriate age. But political indoctrination beyond the flag salute or reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is something else entirely.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it's not. Religion isn't the base in that situation. The Establishment Clause deals with government recognition and restriction of religion. The government may not establish religion or promote one over the other. That has nothing to do with abortion, which is not a religious topic. Atheists can be pro-life, for instance. Christians can be pro-choice. It's not based on religion, it's just that many people happen to be religious. Coincidence is not causation.

    That shouldn't need to be stated.
    Causation? I don't see the Establishment Clause being directly linked to abortion, pro or con. I agree with your point.

    I think those who have subscribed to Canon Law might disagree with you about abortion not being a religious topic. Probably American Muslims would disagree. But neither of these religions (or any other religion in the U.S.) can impose legal consequences. So in that sense, religions are fairly impotent regarding abortion.

    However...

    In the U.S., I would say that "influence" is the word that might be more appropriate when bringing religion into discussions about abortion. No other social force in the U.S. has had more influence on legislation at state levels regarding abortion. And we're seeing religious influence rear its ugly head among the Royalty who reside in the Kingdom of Washington.

    I suspect that there are those who would like to see religions in the U.S. have legal authority. In theocratic Muslim countries, that's a whole different ball game. There's pretty much always been severe to deadly legal penalties imposed based on the Qu'ran.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it's not. Religion isn't the base in that situation.
    It is not? How did you com ego that conclusion?

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Would you advocate that High school biology be taught using terms like "Mommy", "belly", "baby", and "child", when discussing the Human gestation? Sorry..."Baby making".
    False equivalency, the group in question was not in a science class at the time.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    *sigh* Was it in a controlled environment, moderated by a teacher? If not, then who cares, in relation to my post? I never said it wasn't. Is reading comprehension really so hard? I've had to say the same thing 34672049760923740689723489706274354260 different times now. Irrelevant to where I said it SHOULD be. Again, try reading... Pro life is a political position. It's not an assumption. I cannot begin to tell you how sad it makes me when someone who clearly has trouble with understanding what he read says something ridiculous like this.
    If you find yourself having to repeat yourself so much, then maybe the problem is you.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    It is not? How did you com ego that conclusion?
    By observing the system. Lines are not drawn on, religion alone. Even amongst the specific sects opinion is divided. Some atheists are pro-life, many theists pro-choice. These are not divided along strict religious lines.

    It's obvious for anyone not partisan enough, not biased enough, to observe the aggregate system for what it is.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If you find yourself having to repeat yourself so much, then maybe the problem is you.
    No, the problem is too many people opt for an emotional response to what they read, rather than taking the time to understand what is actually said. You ASSUME what is being said without taking the time to comprehend it.

    That's not a me problem, that's a you problem. When you're arguing against something I either never said or clearly said differently, the fault lies not with me.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, the problem is too many people opt for an emotional response to what they read, rather than taking the time to understand what is actually said. You ASSUME what is being said without taking the time to comprehend it.

    That's not a me problem, that's a you problem. When you're arguing against something I either never said or clearly said differently, the fault lies not with me.
    Yeah, yeah...I know it's everyone else...
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, yeah...I know it's everyone else...
    Do you deny you completely failed your reading comprehension test?

    What an amazing mentality you seem to have. Even when you are too careless to comprehend my post, it's still my fault. But I guess that doesn't surprise me, I find people rarely take responsibility for their mistakes. I shouldn't expect you to be any different.

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