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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Unborn what?
    A potential person.

    Until born there is only a potential person or child.

    When I miscarried a horribly malformed fetus at about 20 weeks gestation it was not a person, it was not a child, it was not a baby.

    As a woman who has had 2 miscarriages and given birth to 4 children, I know the difference between an unborn ( also known as an embryo or fetus depending on the stage of development ) and a child.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.

    It is not clear just how much the Establishment Clause tolerates. In the past, the Supreme Court has permitted religious invocations to open legislative session, government funding of bussing and textbooks for private religious schools, and efforts by school districts to arrange schedules to accommodate students’ extra-curricular religious education programs. The Court has ruled against some overtly religious displays at courthouses, state funding supplementing teacher salaries at religious schools, and some overly religious holiday decorations on public land.

    In the case of the pro-life student group, no lawsuits have yet to be filed. I mentioned this already. However, "A Christian law group, Alliance Defending Freedom, sent a letter to the school district last week that calls for an end to the alleged discrimination" - source.

    The question of "Does or could the Establishment Clause be pertinent in this case, I say YES.

    In this bulletin put out by the ACLU, The Establishment Clause and the Schools: A Legal Bulletin, the EC has been a direct factor in litigation as far what rights are permissible on public grounds, among other things.. As each case is different and adjudicated on its own merits I cannot predict what the courts will say but as the EC is the legal basis for most of these types of lawsuits, it is rational to assume it will again be used in this circumstance.

    There are those whom want to argue that abortion is not a religious doctrine, ergo not related to the Establishment Clause. That is blatantly false. Only the courts alone only can make that determination (see Abortion and Religion).

    In this example, Pro-life students bring First Amendment suit against school district, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ruled against the Pro-life students based on the Establishment clause.

    Have I made myself clear?
    So by misrepresenenting abortion as religion, the government has expanded powers to discourage political activism in our youth. Yes, you've made yourself quite clear.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
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    Sorry for your loss.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I am entirely pro-choice, but I agree with the OP's comparison.
    Who's choice? The baby's to live or the mothers to kill it?

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    If your no longer have children in school, then you are old enough to understand the grievance process. What is the arguement?

    Fight whatever you wish...what is the problem. Join with ike minded citizens and change the process. If you can not gather enough like minded people...what do you want?
    We don't want anything except to get what we're paying for: educated, not brainwashed, kids. We support public schools not as a form of social welfare, but as an institution of civil society meant to provide citizens the tools--like the ability to read--to think for themselves.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So by misrepresenenting abortion as religion, the government has expanded powers to discourage political activism in our youth. Yes, you've made yourself quite clear.
    That is a dishonest fabrication. No one claimed that abortion is misrepresented as religion. What yoyu have fail to grasp or acknowledge is that by far abortion opposition is religious dogma driven.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Sorry for your loss.
    Thank you.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    We don't want anything except to get what we're paying for: educated, not brainwashed, kids. We support public schools not as a form of social welfare, but as an institution of civil society meant to provide citizens the tools--like the ability to read--to think for themselves.
    Political education is part of education as well. It seems to me that perhaps this group did think for themselves and that's why some of y'all are in a tizzy over it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    That is a dishonest fabrication. No one claimed that abortion is misrepresented as religion. What yoyu have fail to grasp or acknowledge is that by far abortion opposition is religious dogma driven.
    To use the Establishment Clause against this, then yes you're going to have to represent abortion as a form of religion, necessarily tethered to it.

    What you have failed to grasp or acknowledge is that abortion philosophy and opinion can be arrived at completely devoid of religious influence.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    To use the Establishment Clause against this, then yes you're going to have to represent abortion as a form of religion
    That is simply not true and it is silly at best. Everyone knows that abortion is not religion and everyone also knows that even though there are some atheist who oppose abortion, by far most abortion opposition comes from religious groups and their arguments being religion driven is enough to go against the establishment clause.

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