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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well, I'm just using the progressive knee-jerk reaction to anything and everything they don't agree with.

    It's called fighting fire with fire.
    Poutrage noted.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Biology isn't a matter of opinion. They were presenting models of what looked like fully developed babies and declaring this was what a fetus looks like at like 8 weeks.
    So the reaction is to ban those photos/posters? Better perhaps to just show the real deal and allow them to eat the crow. Should be pretty easy to do so in that case. By banning they put the posters in the highly attractive to teens conspiracy/forbidden knowledge category.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Then it would be easy for you to cite the relevant decision.

    Do not deflect. Gay sex sou;d be just as much free speech as pro-choice advocacy.
    i don't need to cite common knowledge. it has consistently been in the paper.
    it isn't a deflection you committed a logical fallacy by bringing up gay sex that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

    they are not showing any type of public display of sexual positions or demonstrations of such.
    so if you can keep on point we can continue. if you can't then you have nothing to discuss.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Poutrage noted.
    Nice way to reflect denial.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    "The Establishment Clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another. The first approach is called the "separation" or "no aid" interpretation, while the second approach is called the "non-preferential" or "accommodation" interpretation. The accommodation interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause."

    IF a school allows one group, Pro-life student group, without an opposing perspective such as a Pro-Choice student group, that is where the problem starts. In public K-12 schools, that is just crying for future litigation.

    Public schools can routinely and legally ban any and all, non-academic groups.

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    school are constantly sued of this and lose on a consistent basis. why? because they have to prove that said poster will cause a threat or actually induce physical violence of some kind. they cannot ban something simply because they have a feeling or don't like what is being said.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Ignoring the Bill of Rights on purpose, which is going against our founding fathers ideas of freedom, hence going against the United States, our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    There are many forms of tyranny, however they ALL have one thing in common - destroy classical liberalism.
    ...but what did that have to do with my post. I dont recall endorsing tyranny.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I don't give one **** what you believe.
    No worries, neither do I and that is irrelevant as usual from you.

    It is quite obvious you're incapable of understanding my position and only care about yours.
    But I do, at least as expressed by you in your posts. You see the world and the issues in it with the narrow focus of a limited knowledge that is mostly dogma driven.

    Furthermore, only a desperate "collectivist" would break my posts up like you do.
    Do you believe that if not broken up the irrelevance would be somehow lost in the drivel?

    I'm telling you NOT teaching you.
    Not much and you couldn't if you tried.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    "The Establishment Clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another. The first approach is called the "separation" or "no aid" interpretation, while the second approach is called the "non-preferential" or "accommodation" interpretation. The accommodation interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause."

    IF a school allows one group, Pro-life student group, without an opposing perspective such as a Pro-Choice student group, that is where the problem starts. In public K-12 schools, that is just crying for future litigation.

    Public schools can routinely and legally ban any and all, non-academic groups.

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    How do you know pro-choice was forbidden? That was never mentioned. Though it still has nothing to do with religion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If you want an intelligent argument go read the Bill of Rights.
    I did, the difference being that I actually understand it as opposed to you who need to rely on talking points and ignorance.

    Oh yeah you never did nor did you embrace the US Constitution
    You are making again moronic assumptions for which you have no basis.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Pretty much this. Tinker pretty much said that public schools cannot restrict students’ expression, unless it would “materially and substantially interfere” with appropriate school discipline. However, there are still exceptions to the Tinker rule, like Hazelwood, Bethel, and Morse.
    Thanks for the supporting details showing that a non disruptive environment usually takes precedent over free speech rights.

    As a side note, I think the Supreme Court recently rejected a "he said, she said" style argument where a teacher contended that the global citizenship and Buddhist material of New Agers and Buddhists was allowed more leeway in a designated free speech area than his U.S. centric Christian material was.

    From a mathematical sense, the teacher appeared to have a point, but I dont think the Court wanted to get involved- especially as the teacher was allowed to post some material, though possibly not with the same ease and affirmation as the PC groups were.
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