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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Sweet ****ing jesus.

    Okay - whatever. Suddenly kids can say whatever they want AT SCHOOL.


    The Freedom of Speech is many times misunderstood. It is a constitutional proscription that prohibits the government from stopping, preventing or otherwise censoring speech on public grounds. Having said that, Freedom of Speech is NOT absolute. The Supreme Court has ruled many times that free speech has it's limitation.

    A public school is on "public grounds" so it would appear natural that Free Speech would be unilaterally tolerated. Legally, it is not that clear cut. When and if this case goes to a Federal court, the issue will not about abortion, but rather, whether the school violated the Establishment Clause by allowing, and thereby sanctioning, a pro-life student group on their campus.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, to the contrary, the courts have strongly decided schools are not absolute free speech zones-especially in regards to political (not religous) speech and that the concept of avoiding school disruption takes precedence. As a result, the courts dont really spend alot of time analyzing arguments that:

    We are butt hurt because Principal "P" is biased against speech "S" and ordered us to stop speaking while at the same time, he allows his "cool" friends from socio political group "G" to have alot more leeway!


    In the end, the courts are usually not going to second guess the principal - even if that means allowing biased decisions to stand. It does not matter if those who are butt hurt are progressives or conservative.
    Pretty much this. Tinker pretty much said that public schools cannot restrict students’ expression, unless it would “materially and substantially interfere” with appropriate school discipline. However, there are still exceptions to the Tinker rule, like Hazelwood, Bethel, and Morse.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    The place in question was a lunch room, with students of all ages, even considering that it was a high school, and students can be offended. It does not take rocket science to figure out that the place and venue are not appropriate.
    The choice seemed very appropriate if you think it got more attention.

    No one is ignoring anything, it is the termination of a pregnancy, but you clearly have to make more of it to further your agenda.
    It's the death of a human being.

    It is a ****ing fetus. Do you even have a clue what a first trimester fetus looks like?
    Yes, I do. It looks like a growing human being. By the late 1st trimester it has hands and eyes and everything else that would tell the unscientific, superficial people that it is human. The rest of us know it was human well before that.

    Verifiable source?
    US Census


    And Prochoice.org

    If you take the low estimate of $350 and multiply in by the 1.2 million you actually get $420 million annually. But it is likely much higher. It's an industry either way.
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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Of course and we have your good expertise to rely on instead. Sorry, but no thanks.
    I've been there and done that my entire life - my life has been so ****ed up I could write a book about it, however understand and accepting what is right and what is wrong and living by those standards is more difficult than not, and you're not living that lifestyle - you just rationalize your murder and theft as something "good" - something progressive - only because it benefits you. In short you're a selfish person that promotes murder in this case.

    Abortion is wrong - you are NOT God, and if you don't believe in God abortion is immoral and unethical, while you're trying to mainstream baby genocide.

    No intelligent concerned and moral human would ever buy what you're selling here.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    The Freedom of Speech is many times misunderstood. It is a constitutional proscription that prohibits the government from stopping, preventing or otherwise censoring speech on public grounds. Having said that, Freedom of Speech is NOT absolute. The Supreme Court has ruled many times that free speech has it's limitation.

    A public school is on "public grounds" so it would appear natural that Free Speech would be unilaterally tolerated. Legally, it is not that clear cut. When and if this case goes to a Federal court, the issue will not about abortion, but rather, whether the school violated the Establishment Clause by allowing, and thereby sanctioning, a pro-life student group on their campus.
    The day that students engaging in political exercise is considered a violation of anything is the day we've really lost our political future.

    How the heck is allowing a pro-life group to exist in school violating the Establishment clause? That's for religion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    The Freedom of Speech is many times misunderstood. It is a constitutional proscription that prohibits the government from stopping, preventing or otherwise censoring speech on public grounds. Having said that, Freedom of Speech is NOT absolute. The Supreme Court has ruled many times that free speech has it's limitation.

    A public school is on "public grounds" so it would appear natural that Free Speech would be unilaterally tolerated. Legally, it is not that clear cut. When and if this case goes to a Federal court, the issue will not about abortion, but rather, whether the school violated the Establishment Clause by allowing, and thereby sanctioning, a pro-life student group on their campus.
    Wrong - freedom of speech that leads to death is restricted - and all that speech is restricted to murder. Like yelling "fire" in a theater or solicitation of murder.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The day that students engaging in political exercise is considered a violation of anything is the day we've really lost our political future.

    How the heck is allowing a pro-life group to exist in school violating the Establishment clause? That's for religion.
    That is called tyranny.

    We have a constitution so opinions like yours get muted or are made moot.

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That is called tyranny.

    We have a constitution so opinions like yours get muted or are made moot.
    What is tyranny?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What is tyranny?

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    Re: Pro-Life High School Group Says Principal Banned Them From Using Life-Sized Fetus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The day that students engaging in political exercise is considered a violation of anything is the day we've really lost our political future.

    How the heck is allowing a pro-life group to exist in school violating the Establishment clause? That's for religion.
    Then I suppose you're only comfortable with those who share their progressive views..... God forbid intellectual discussion or alternate ideas on issues.... No in your mind discourse is wrong!

    Typical of Stalin authoritarian wannabes.

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