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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Mind boggling? Really? You fail to understand the difference? Are you ignorant? Do you just not care for facts?

    The former President of election was democratically elected, very true, however before being overthrown he killed dozens of protestors and robbed the country of its wealth through a bottom to top corrupt government where the state of Ukraine existed entirely for his personal enrichment and the enrichment of his buddies, along with other powerful interests like industry leaders, etc. The state was not being run for the people it was being run to rob the people so this guy could stash money in foreign banks, perhaps up to 70 billion dollars stolen directly from the people.

    Ukraine's new leaders begin search for missing billions | World news | theguardian.com

    Being democratically elected is good, but its not the end all be all of it. You don't get a free pass to do whatever the hell you want once you're democratically elected.

    Your welcome for educating you.
    Right because we haven't done the same damn things in our history, shooting protesters, robbing the middle class of their wealth, and welfare for "industry leaders," and corrupt bankers.

    Please, if you're so able to judge others, perhaps those same judgements should focus on issues at home instead of abroad. And note that all you are commenting on here is Ukraine, Crimea did not partake in those activities.

    So even if we take out the basic hypocrisy out of your comments, it doesn't change the facts that a democratically elected leader and his democratically elected legislators were ousted illegally.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    In their bases or around their bases for security. Not occupying the Parliament after blowing down the doors, or on almost every street corner.

    Also under treaty, the Ukrainians gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for a guarantee from Russia that Russia would not interfere militarily in Ukrainian internal affairs.

    We have a treaty with Britain, Germany and Japan to have troops in those countries. Would you feel that we had invaded those countries if we took our troops out of bases, brought additional troops, armor and equipment into those countries, blew the doors down on their Parliament buildings, installed our guy as the head of their governments, blocked their navy by sinking derelict ships at the mouth of their navy bases and put our troops around every government building, took control of their press and TV outlets, arrested protestors against what we were doing and called for a vote that we set up to have only two possible answers that both stated that those countries were now part of the US? I don't think that Britain, Germany or Japan would think that it wasn't an invasion, nor would the UN.

    The UN voted that this was an invasion and that the vote wouldn't count. The only two countries that didn't vote yes, were China who abstained, and Russia who Vetoed the resolution.

    The entire world knows what this is. Why do we have some on this forum that cannot see what the rest of the world sees and knows to be the facts.
    Just saying that if the Russian troops were already legally with in the Ukraine, it wasn't an invasion.

    There's a Luftwaffe fighter squadron based in New Mexico. If they decided to bomb Santa Fe, New Mexico it wouldn't be an invasion since German fighter pilots have been based in the USA for decades now.

    I have to say it's kind of strange seeing jet fighters flying over America with the black maltese cross on their fuselage and wings.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    At what point in your mind, does any of this give Russia the right to invade another sovereign nation and take control with their military that they have a signed treaty with that country that precludes such military aggression?
    At what point will you provide evidence of this so called "invasion." There is no evidence. The only thing I have heard here is that there are Russian troops in Crimea. That is not evidence of an invasion. Like I said, there are US troops in Colombia.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The British government was improperly ousted from the American Colonies. Should we give them back? Should we not have fought to leave the British Empire? JK

    Seriously though...

    The Ukrainian interim government has already scheduled a new election and did so very quickly. The Russians (a foreign power) blew the doors down of the Crimean Parliament with explosives, sent their troops into the building and put their guys in charge who got less than 4% of the vote in the last real election. No election there either, and none scheduled. What happened in Kiev was done by Ukrainians. What happened in Crimea was done by a foreign country, Russia.

    I keep asking this question without getting an answer. At what point, does any of this give Russia the right to invade another sovereign nation and take control with their military that they have a signed treaty with that country that precludes such military aggression?

    No NATO countries are in the Crimea, or Ukraine proper, yet Russian troops are in both.

    Who is the aggressor, and how can we legitimately believe any results of any vote under those circumstances?
    But then why have a problem with Crimea in a completely non-violent way choosing their own futures? Would you be more in favor of Crimea joining Russia if they'd staged huge protests against Ukraine? How bizarre.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Right because we haven't done the same damn things in our history, shooting protesters, robbing the middle class of their wealth, and welfare for "industry leaders," and corrupt bankers.

    Please, if you're so able to judge others, perhaps those same judgements should focus on issues at home instead of abroad. And note that all you are commenting on here is Ukraine, Crimea did not partake in those activities.

    So even if we take the basic hypocrisy out of your comments, it doesn't change the facts that a democratically elected leader and his democratically elected legislators were ousted illegally.
    Just because we've done some things that were wrong in the past doesn't give anyone the right to do them in the present!

    And you don't understand the scale of the population, or rather you won't allow yourself to understand it. Its not corruption in the sense of companies getting fat checks from the government, its the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT existing to enrich a single person. Did any US President steal 70 billion dollars of tax dollars and put it into his own bank account? Ya the US has its problems but don't compare them to Ukraine's, and again even if they were similar THAT DOESN"T MEAN ANYTHING. If the US did wrong in the past that doesn't give other folks the right to do wrong today, how the **** does the US invading Iraq wrongly give Russia the right to invade the Ukraine?

    Because democratically elected doesn't give you dictatorial powers or give you the right to rob your country

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I can't believe people are this naive to believe this election is legitimate.
    I can't believe people are naive to believe the Ukrainian Government is legitimate. They removed a President unconstitutionally. They were short 10 votes and didn't go to the Constitutional Courts for review. But some how we view that as legitimate. Hypocrites.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I can't believe people are naive to believe the Ukrainian Government is legitimate. They removed a President unconstitutionally. They were short 10 votes and didn't go to the Constitutional Courts for review. But some how we view that as legitimate. Hypocrites.
    He fled the country, he removed himself.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Just because we've done some things that were wrong in the past doesn't give anyone the right to do them in the present!

    And you don't understand the scale of the population, or rather you won't allow yourself to understand it. Its not corruption in the sense of companies getting fat checks from the government, its the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT existing to enrich a single person. Did any US President steal 70 billion dollars of tax dollars and put it into his own bank account? Ya the US has its problems but don't compare them to Ukraine's, and again even if they were similar THAT DOESN"T MEAN ANYTHING. If the US did wrong in the past that doesn't give other folks the right to do wrong today, how the **** does the US invading Iraq wrongly give Russia the right to invade the Ukraine?

    Because democratically elected doesn't give you dictatorial powers or give you the right to rob your country
    Oh, please, "in the past" as though it wasn't just really recently, with many still happening. You really are devoted to your hypocritical way of looking at world events.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    95%

    Putin seems to be more popular than Obama.

    I wonder how many hanging chads there were ?

    Maybe they should have asked for ID at the polls and the election would have turned out differently ?
    Did you hear the "Yes we can" chant by Crimeans? Little stick in the eye to Obama.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Oh, please, "in the past" as though it wasn't just really recently, with many still happening. You really are devoted to your hypocritical way of looking at world events.
    It doesn't matter if its in the past, HOW THE **** ARE THEY RELATED. How the **** does one country doing something wrong, whether today, or yesterday, or 5 years or 100 years ago give another country the right to do something wrong as well?

    The US illegally invaded Iraq, how the **** does that give Russia the right to illegal invade the Crimea?

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