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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If being occupied by a superior, larger, and more deadly militant force that you fought to get away from not too long ago isn't proof of this then I don't know what is.

    You've pulled the wool over your own eyes and are ignoring the reality of what's really going on and acting the fool.

    You're showing everyone that you know nothing of political and military history in the region of Ukraine and Crimea. The equivalent of asking someone to prove that the earth goes around the sun simply because you're ignoring everything given as proof.
    Crimea didn't fight to get away from Russia. They were a gift to the Ukraine from Russia after the collapse of USSR, iirc. No war, none of what you're saying.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You're beyond help. Denial is not just a river in Egypt, and you have a full blown self inflicted case of it right now.
    You are the one in denial about the fact that the people of Crimea want to be a part of Russia.

    Sorry. Can't help you. You need to stop believing everything you see on TV.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its an invasion because the government of Ukraine did not allow those Russian troops to be there, its an invasion because the Russian military has blockaded the Ukraine military in their bases and sea ports, its an invasion because the Russian military has seized control of the government and installed a puppet in a secret election in Parliament. Did you know that in the 90s Russia signed a treaty to never violate the sovereignty of the Ukraine, including in the Crimea?

    What the **** else has to happen before you call it an invasion? Are you going to keep up with this absolutely ****ing stupid stance that forces you to ignore all these facts? Its not just the fact that they are there, its what they are doing while they are there.
    The government of Ukraine was improperly ousted, iirc. And, iirc, there is no really viable government in Ukraine yet, is there? An elected government from top down, not just who was installed after the coup?

    Wow, it's so strange that the coup against the democratically elected leader of Ukraine doesn't bother anyone, but this does. Mind-boggling.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Crimea didn't fight to get away from Russia. They were a gift to the Ukraine from Russia after the collapse of USSR, iirc. No war, none of what you're saying.
    Exactly. I can't believe someone actually wants someone to believe that.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You are the one in denial about the fact that the people of Crimea want to be a part of Russia.

    Sorry. Can't help you. You need to stop believing everything you see on TV.
    At what point in your mind, does any of this give Russia the right to invade another sovereign nation and take control with their military that they have a signed treaty with that country that precludes such military aggression?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    IMO, even as the turnout hints at legitimacy, the actual conditions in which the referendum took place argue against it. First, there were no international observers. Second, Russian troops and pro-Russian paramilitary elements on the streets created a climate of possible duress.

    Even under fair conditions, I suspect the majority would have voted for separation. First nearly 60% of the population is comprised of ethnic Russians. Second, the economy in Crimea is weak and joblessness high. That would have contributed to at least some share of the non-ethnic Russian population voting for change.

    Nevertheless, given the Kosovo precedent, I suspect Russia will be unyielding with respect to Crimea. Given the balance of power, Russia has the capacity to enforce that outcome. Moreover, I doubt that a compromise in which a referendum would be permitted to take place under neutral conditions will be accepted by either Russia or the Ukraine now that this vote has been held.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    good for them / bad for them; i just don't know or care.

    Washington needs to find a good way to back the **** out of this and fix our own country. enough of this barfighting bull****. fix the ****ing roof.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    HEY!!!!! I can be stupid if I want to.
    What you said wasn't stupid. These people are buying and selling kool aid.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    That's because its not a legitimate election
    Putin is very smart, he's a master in geopolitics. Maybe the elections were legit ? Why not just 55 % voting for returning to being part of Russia ?

    Just wish Obama were just half as smart as Putin.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, even as the turnout hints at legitimacy, the actual conditions in which the referendum took place argue against it. First, there were no international observers. Second, Russian troops and pro-Russian paramilitary elements on the streets created a climate of possible duress.

    Even under fair conditions, I suspect the majority would have voted for separation. First nearly 60% of the population is comprised of ethnic Russians. Second, the economy in Crimea is weak and joblessness high. That would have contributed to at least some share of the non-ethnic Russian population voting for change.

    Nevertheless, given the Kosovo precedent, I suspect Russia will be unyielding with respect to Crimea. Given the balance of power, Russia has the capacity to enforce that outcome. Moreover, I doubt that a compromise in which a referendum would be permitted to take place under neutral conditions will be accepted by either Russia or the Ukraine now that this vote has been held.
    OSCE observers were invited by Russians.
    But they didn't send anyone because they called it illegitimate days before.
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