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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Ethnic cleansing is a gross distortion with regards to Putin and Crimea.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I understand what you are saying. The point is that this principle of self determination is rather charged.
    I agree; it's a very tricky subject, particularly when you have multiple ethnic groups who've lived side-by-side for centuries suddenly deciding that they want to be independent and going at each others' throats. I don't think the Kosovo principle applies to Crimea, however.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I've articulated my argument, and a laugh and snicker is all you've got left.
    No all you have done is go USA bad Putin number 1.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I agree; it's a very tricky subject, particularly when you have multiple ethnic groups who've lived side-by-side for centuries suddenly deciding that they want to be independent and going at each others' throats. I don't think the Kosovo principle applies to Crimea, however.
    No it doesn't equate. Putin has announced he is going to use Stalin's "relocation" tactics towards all who are not white ethnic Russians. The way to avoid Kosovo in his opinion is to kill or send all minorities off to Siberia and work camps. Then there is no ethnic violence.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No it doesn't equate. Putin has announced he is going to use Stalin's "relocation" tactics towards all who are not white ethnic Russians. The way to avoid Kosovo in his opinion is to kill or send all minorities off to Siberia and work camps. Then there is no ethnic violence.
    Do you have a resource to back your assertion?

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I agree; it's a very tricky subject, particularly when you have multiple ethnic groups who've lived side-by-side for centuries suddenly deciding that they want to be independent and going at each others' throats. I don't think the Kosovo principle applies to Crimea, however.
    Indeed it is tricky. But it's a principle that is enshrined in the UN charter. Robert Lansing's words may turn out to be prophetic.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    That's not the point. If you can use a bureaucratic tweaking sixty years ago to justify the violation of Ukraine's territorial integrity, then I can use the genocide of non-Russians that occurred 70 and 80 years ago to justify Ukraine keeping Crimea.
    Crimea was not part of the Ukraine 70 or 80 years ago. It was part of the Russian SSR, of the USSR. In 1954, Nikita Kruschev, who was Ukranian himself, gave Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. Since his departure, Russian leaders have been looking for an excuse to give Crimea back to Russia. They found that excuse this year.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Crimea was not part of the Ukraine 70 or 80 years ago. It was part of the Russian SSR, of the USSR. In 1954, Nikita Kruschev, who was Ukranian himself, gave Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. Since his departure, Russian leaders have been looking for an excuse to give Crimea back to Russia. They found that excuse this year.
    Well they found the opportunity anyway.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you have a resource to back your assertion?
    There is another thread about Putin is going to relocate Tartar Muslims again like Stalin did.

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