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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    More on how the puppet government works.

    Want to know how Yanukovych was ousted? Here's how. Victoria Nuland threatened Rinat Akhmetov. Akhmetov then put the pressure on Yanukovych to leave. Nuland operates gangster style.

    Ukraine oligarch claims he pleaded with Yanukovich to resign | beyondbrics

    Ukraine oligarch claims he pleaded with Yanukovich to resign

    “The last time I spoke with Viktor Yanukovich was in Donetsk on 22 February,” he said, referring to the largest city in Ukraine’s industrial eastern heartland where both men rose to the highest ranks of Ukrainian political and business power.

    “Given the situation in the country, I was persuading him to resign,” Akhmetov said.

    After fleeing Ukraine last month soon after his purported conversation with Akhmetov, the former president reappeared in Russia, giving two press conferences in the city of Rostov on Don, a short drive from Donetsk.
    That's how they did it.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Yep. I guess Victoria Nuland's little talk with Rinat Akhmetov had a big effect on things over in the Ukraine. After the "the talk", Akhmetov started calling for talks. Geoffrey Pyatt, the guy on the other end of Victoria Nuland's f*ck the EU conversation, came out in praise of Akhmetov's call for talks.

    US ambassador hails Akhmetov's advice on way out of crisis


    U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt has welcomed a proposal by Ukrainian businessman Rinat Akhmetov on resolving the political crisis in Ukraine.

    "I welcome the wise advice of Rinat Akhmetov on the current crisis," he wrote on his page on Twitter on Friday.

    Akhmetov said in a statement on December 13 that Ukraine is a free democratic country, since Ukraine took to the streets for peaceful rallies, and that the country would not swerve from this path. He called on the Ukrainian authorities, opposition politicians and moral leaders of the country to sit at the negotiating table and make a decision from which "every Ukrainian and Ukraine will benefit in the short, medium and long term."

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Here's something from a article on Ukrainska Pravda dated December 17, 2013

    Yanukovych’s three pressure points: Akhmetov in London, Kluyev in Vienna, Yanukovych Jr in Pechersk

    Serhiy Leshshenko, Ukrainska Pravda

    Tuesday, December 17, 2013, 07:56

    Today, the regime stands on three pillars on whom efforts should be concentrated: Yanukovych, Akhmetov and Kluyev.

    Akhmetov. He has turned out to be especially vulnerable to loss of reputation in the West. The 30 Ukrainian activists who picketed his apartment in London got to him more than the 300,000 on the Maidan in Kyiv. Reportedly, after the London protests outside the prestigious One Hyde Park building, he requested specially trained people to go to the neighbors and apologize for the inconvenience. In internet groups, provocateurs were launched to sabotage a planned picket of SCM’s London offices on the basis of some strange information from Kyiv.

    A warning from US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland about possible sanctions against the “sponsors of the regime” forced him to abandon his preferred tactic of staying in the shadows. Last week, Akhmetov and his younger partner, Vadym Novynskiy went to talk reason into Yanukovych.

    Akhmetov continues to control some 50 members of the legislature, who have failed to condemn the bloodshed on the Maidan in any way. To put an end to the conflict, Akhmetov doesn’t really need Yanukovych. He can resolve the crisis alone, simply by getting those of his drivers, lawyers and managers who sit in the Verkhovna Rada, to vote to “reboot” the government.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    It may just be me, but I sense a theme coming from one of our glorious members.

    Keep the faith... Maybe someone will believe you.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    I'm wondering how many of our new Putin-supporting posters are working for Russia.
    It's not like the Russian people have an open internet or a free press.
    The USA will always be a far superior Nation to Russia because we are FREE.

    As an example, Putin was allowed to spread his LIEs in one of our newspapers,
    and even some of our GOPs forgot how free we are and agreed with his slams on Obama .
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    It is good to simply not even read their propaganda.
    While they're spreading their manure, they should think of how FREE they are to do so in the USA.
    They may want to think of human rights abuses to their fellow comrades in their own media in TV, radio and newspapers .
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    Keep the faith... Maybe someone will believe you.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It may just be me, but I sense a theme coming from one of our glorious members.

    Keep the faith... Maybe someone will believe you.
    It's not just me. Apparently Euromaidan, the people that were protesting against Yanukovych, believed it. Here's something from their Facebook page

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/p...58345107588502

    USA demands from Akhmetov and Kliuyev to rise a party revolt against Yanukovych. Sanctions otherwise

    I's become known of the details of the meeting between the Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Rinat Akhmetov.
    Nuland reported that in case of a dispersal of the Euromaidan the US and EU leaders got agreement on a single reaction. That is immediate sanctions against primer politicians and oligarchs in the surroundings of Yanukovych. Moreover, the list will be continued by the names both of those, who are responsible for the the forced dispersal, and of those, who didn’t stand for the peaceful scenario. This remark won’t let anyone of the leaders of the Regions Party to avoid responsibility. What is even more important, Nuland provided the list of politicians, who will be sanctioned in the first place. Those are Rinat Akhmetov, Vadim Novinsky, Andrey and Sergey Kliuevs.

    The USA anticipates that the Regions Party fraction will support all of four demands in order to begin peaceful negotiations:
    1. To announce pre-term election of the President.
    2. To announce pre-term elections of the Parliament.
    3. To release Tymoshenko from jail and to recover her civic rights in full.
    4. To open criminal cases on all the executives of the Ministry of Interior Affairs and the Berkut, who participated in dispersals of peaceful demonstrations.

    Nuland was very precise that unfulfillment of these conditions will question any operational activities of the Metinvest and System Capital Management companies in foreign countries. The crucial moment is that the meeting was held with just Akhmetov. It means that the US does not consider Yanukovych as a reliable partner. Since the last means to communicate with Yanukovych were exhausted, the USA and EU decided to make final efforts before sanctioning Ukrainian oligarchs. They urged leaders of the Regions Party to go against Yanukovich’s will and in fact to rise a party revolt.
    Victoria Nuland wasn't just out there passing out cookies. She was threatening to kick some butt!

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, no matter who gets hurt in the foreign policy action, so long as US interests are advanced, that's your yardstick. I understand.
    lol who's interests are you trying to advance?
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, and I told you that I would support the US doing the same thing, under the same circumstances, with or without a rigged referendum.
    You blame the US for Pearl Harbor, so I think we both know that that's a blatant lie.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It's not just me. Apparently Euromaidan, the people that were protesting against Yanukovych, believed it. Here's something from their Facebook page

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/p...58345107588502



    Victoria Nuland wasn't just out there passing out cookies. She was threatening to kick some butt!
    It's almost like you don't know what a puppet government is. That couldn't be it, though, could it?
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