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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Putin will look silly by banning McCain and Durbin tomorrow, bringing the USA closer together.
    McCain is valuable, giving Obama a defense if he needs to up his own threats.
    Kissinger has been an interesting read on this also.

    I prefer 'No Drama Obama' saying "other" options, versus "military" options as with McCain.
    It will take the USA/EU more time to prepare for Puting cutting off his oil and natural gas, if he threatens to.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Like I said, had it been 25/75 you guys would be all over it. You just don't like the results. Anyway, it doesn't matter. This is Putins show, US/EU involvement and support of the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government, gave Putin all the legitimacy he needs.
    We shall see.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Moving on. Let's see if we can challenge all that intelligence that you have. As I see it, where we stand now is that the US has it's puppet government in Kiev, and Russia is in the process of annexing Crimea
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    The American State Department does not have their 'puppet government in Kiev'. Remember this is the same State Department who blamed the Libyan killings on a Youtube video and still haven't gotten to the bottom of that matter. And you think Victoria Nuland, Joe Biden Barrack Obama or any of them can install a puppet government in the Ukraine? BHO may be a community organizer but Kiev is, as he once said, beyond his pay grade.
    Obviously, the relationship is strained at this point to say the least. So what are some things that the US could do to make things difficult for Russia, without making things difficult for itself. One way would be through Iran. Previously, Russia has leveraged the negative relationship that Iran has with the US to it's advantage. However, now that tensions have risen between the US and Russia, and there appears to be a move towards rapprochement between the US and Iran, perhaps the tables can be turned. If the US were to have favorable relations with Iran, it would put Russia off balance in the Middle East because the leverage they had would be gone. What do you think of that? What suggestions do you have?
    I believe it all depends on a united Europe's reaction moreso than with Iran or anywhere else but your point, because they are both dependent on selling energy, is a good one.

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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I prefer 'No Drama Obama' saying "other" options, versus "military" options as with McCain.
    Absolutely. But I posted this somewhere else previously: Crimea was always going to fall under Russian control. It was just a matter of managing it. But whether or not it was managed effectively won't be known publicly for many years- possibly decades- but I'm afraid to say I think it probably wasn't.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    When did I ever say Russia was wrong? Can you focus, dude?


    ...what? For the third time: would you accept the validity of a referendum conducted under US supervision that resulted in 95% of the population voting in favor of the thing the US supported?
    Under the same exact circumstances, I would accept us doing it without the referendum.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Under the same exact circumstances, I would accept us doing it without the referendum.
    lol I'm sure.

    But that wasn't the question. Why do you keep avoiding it? would you accept the validity of a referendum conducted under US supervision that resulted in 95% of the population voting in favor of the thing the US supported?
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    I don't believe the handling of this Ukraine thing is over yet.
    With sanctions just beginning to go back and forth, I believe Russian military moves are far from done.
    I expect Putin to take about 1/3 of Ukraine, the Eastern part.
    I can't decide yet whether Putin will try to cut-off both lakes by cutting across the South due West .
    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Absolutely. But I posted this somewhere else previously: Crimea was always going to fall under Russian control. It was just a matter of managing it. But whether or not it was managed effectively won't be known publicly for many years- possibly decades- but I'm afraid to say I think it probably wasn't.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I don't believe the handling of this Ukraine thing is over yet.
    With sanctions just beginning to go back and forth, I believe Russian military moves are far from done.
    I expect Putin to take about 1/3 of Ukraine, the Eastern part.
    I can't decide yet whether Putin will try to cut-off both lakes by cutting across the South due West .
    If Putin thinks or can just manufacture the fear that his pipelines across Ukraine are in danger, he will move across the entire country. If he does that, NATO will move troops to the border of each of the surrounding NATO countries. That's when this could get actually dangerous for the entire world. Even here in the US mainland.

    If he does, maybe he'll finally clean up the mess the Russians made at Chernobyl.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    95 percent of people can't agree on the color of grass. I expect and am amused when Iraqi elections or North Korean elections have 95 percent victory. That's what a cheap dictator does. When it comes from Russia , I am disappointed.

    I expect better. When did the Russians become a bunch of amateurs? If you're gonna rig an election, at least make it believable. 75/25 is where it's at.
    Not really. Those who did not want to be annexed by Russia boycotted the election, which is why the results were what they were.
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    Re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not really. Those who did not want to be annexed by Russia boycotted the election, which is why the results were what they were.
    Yeah ok lol.

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