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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    85% turnout of voters. Over 95% of those voting for unification with Russia.
    I read it was 83% turnout....regardless, under the circumstances, the voter turnout doesn't validate the vote.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    CIA and CIA front groups. It's like the story of the guy who has one glass of wine, but he's not referred to as a wino, but the same guy sucks one little dick and is forever known as a cokesuckaire. CIA taint is exactly the same. Check to see how many of these front groups are operating in Ukraine.

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    "Here is just a small list of various NGOs that are either known or are broadly accepted as CIA front operations. These organizations funnel money directly from their budget into various unknown and foundations, humanitarian groups, and private companies to further CIA priorities:

    National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
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    Millennium Challenge Corporation
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    USAID "

    "With regard to Freedom House, a United States-based NGO enjoying consultative status, the Permanent Representative of Cuba went on to say that the Committee had been dealing with that “so-called NGO” for several sessions after having received complaints from many delegations. He had submitted proof of the politically motivated, interventionist activities the NGO carried out against his Government. The NGO’s links with terrorist groups in Cuba as well as the fact that it was an instrument of the special services of the United States were no secret."

    "Today, Freedom House continues to serve as both a think tank and a “civil society” funder as part of the State Department’s modern “democracy promotion” complex. Frequently cited in the press and academic works, the reports and studies produced by Freedom House and its affiliates promote the neoconservative ideology of its trustees and government sponsors. Although some names and affiliations have changed, the group is still dominated by neocons. Brzezinski, Kirkpatrick, and Forbes are still on the trustees list, as well as Liasson, O’Rourke, and Noonan.

    Trustee Ken Adelman is a contributor to the Project for a New American Century, along with former CIA director R. James Woolsey, who joined Freedom House in 2000. Adelman was an assistant to Rumsfeld from 1975-1977, U.N. ambassador and arms control director under Reagan, and is currently a member of the Defense Policy Board. He wrote an article for The Washington Postin 2002 titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq”28 in which he said: “I believe demolishing Hussein’s military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk.” Another trustee, Harvard professor Samuel P. Huntington, is the U.S. author of the Trilateral Commission report, The Crisis of Democracy and The Clash of Civilizations and Remaking of World Order (1996)."

    "Carl Bernstein writes in “the CIA and the Media“:

    “Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters. Some of these journalists’ relationships with the Agency were tacit; some were explicit. There was cooperation, accommodation and overlap. Journalists provided a full range of clandestine services—from simple intelligence gathering to serving as go‑betweens with spies in Communist countries. Reporters shared their notebooks with the CIA. Editors shared their staffs. Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors without‑portfolio for their country. Most were less exalted: foreign correspondents who found that their association with the Agency helped their work; stringers and freelancers who were as interested in the derring‑do of the spy business as in filing articles; and, the smallest category, full‑time CIA employees masquerading as journalists abroad. In many instances, CIA documents show, journalists were engaged to perform tasks for the CIA with the consent of the managements of America’s leading news organizations…”
    The Church Committee uncovered how the CIA funded journalists abroad …where those stories"

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    Combined with current events factoids, Wikipedia and Sourcewatch, anyone with basic internet competence [ability to follow links and do key word searches such as ‘African Wildlife Foundation, MI6, CIA’ or ‘Fossey Foundation, arms trafficking’] and is able to make and organize notes while sifting out blatantly misinformed or amateur articles, can learn to overcome disinformation, do their own analysis, map the corporate activities, identify the rip-offs and peoples exploited by these schemes, all while identifying the actual players and motives behind the New York Times propaganda.

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    Apparently you mixed up what thread you are posting on. This thread is about Crimea.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    You cast a vote after the region was been invaded by Russian troops. That is voting at the point of a gun.
    There is a difference here. The vast majority of Crimeans ARE Russians. of course they support it. Crimea actually was part of Russia until 1954, when they became part of Ukraine, through some weird Soviet hocus pocus. Since then, there was an uneasy peace between Ukranians and Crimeans, who wanted to be part of Russia once more. This situation is not unlike Yugoslavia, in which ethnic factions were forced to be together as one nation, until the breakup of that nation, and the ethnic violence which followed. I doubt there would have been violence in Crimea, but the vast majority of the population there welcomed the Russian incursion.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Seems like a perfect climate to reduce military spending, right Obama?
    Yes it does, considering Russia has this under control with no loss of life.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    The claim this was democracy is so absurd no one should take those claims serious.

    There were 2 options on the ballot:

    1. Declare independence from Ukraine or

    2. Declare independence from Ukraine.

    The election under the Russian gun and Russian occupation.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is a difference here. The vast majority of Crimeans ARE Russians. of course they support it. Crimea actually was part of Russia until 1954, when they became part of Ukraine, through some weird Soviet hocus pocus. Since then, there was an uneasy peace between Ukranians and Crimeans, who wanted to be part of Russia once more. This situation is not unlike Yugoslavia, in which ethnic factions were forced to be together as one nation, until the breakup of that nation, and the ethnic violence which followed. I doubt there would have been violence in Crimea, but the vast majority of the population there welcomed the Russian incursion.
    You left out the part about the genocide and deportation of the non-Russian population by Joseph Stalin. Why do I not think this was inadvertent on your part?

    But, the population is still about 12% Muslim Tartar. So I guess you have your reasons to what Russia to take over to take care of them too.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yes as they are very similar.
    Actually Higgins, only if western powers had supported the violent overthrow of the elected governments in those countries, and replaced them with anti-German governments, and Germany had had two or three bases, and loyal German speaking and cultural people to secure and protect, would there be any similarity.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Apparently you mixed up what thread you are posting on. This thread is about Crimea.
    And the post clarifies why Russia would consider it necessary to protect the Crimea from USA/State Depty/CIA meddling and interference in internal affairs.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Had the west intervened and supported violent overthrow of elected governments in those countries and then "recognised" anti-German governments in their place??
    Lol continue to spin in favor for Putin.
    This was an armed annexation of part of the Ukraine, no more no less.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And just what would a bigger military have done? CON tripe doesn't fly. We challenged the USSR to a game of military spending chicken and they had to quit due to a very unstable economy... now we have the unstable economy and the Russians have a strong cash generator- NG to Europe. Putin would LOVE us to spend money we don't have with little if any way to pay-off the IOUs in another military spending spree.

    Our tanks didn't drive to the Ukraine/Russian border to 'free' the Ukraine and it damn sure isn't going to 'defend' it even with Reagan era spending.
    That wasn't the point.

    The point is, the world is headed a very scary direction on multiple fronts, and the last thing we need is less troops and resources in our military. Obama, like most liberals, despises the military.

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