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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I can't believe people are this naive to believe this election is legitimate.
    I can't believe people are naive enough to believe the people were not going to vote that way. They want to join Russia.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I can't believe people are naive enough to believe the people were not going to vote that way. They want to join Russia.
    Regardless if they would have voted that way or not, an election at the point of a gun, is still an illegitimate election. Also people don't have to die for an invasion and occupation to be a real an invasion and occupation.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    You cast a vote after the region was been invaded by Russian troops. That is voting at the point of a gun.
    That would only be true if
    #1 they all had to vote regardless of whether they wanted to or not, since only 80% voted, I'd say no one forced anyone into the booth.
    or #2 the voting is rigged.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    All elections are real and show the true will of the people, especially those done at the point of a gun. As an example: Kim Jong Un 'elected' with 100% of the vote in North Korea, and with 100% turnout... amazing... WOW!!!
    And had this been the same, I'd be right there with you. But with only 80% voting, clearly no gunpoint forced anyone to the polls. The fact that it isn't 100% vote for Russia also indicates that the voting was not coerced, though I leave open the possibility of fraud in vote counting.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Regardless if they would have voted that way or not, an election at the point of a gun, is still an illegitimate election. Also people don't have to die for an invasion and occupation to be a real an invasion and occupation.
    do we really want to try to force the issue at this point?
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Regardless if they would have voted that way or not, an election at the point of a gun, is still an illegitimate election. Also people don't have to die for an invasion and occupation to be a real an invasion and occupation.
    You want to say it was at the point of a gun, but the fact is that the people there want it. I'm sorry, it's not at the point of a gun if it's something people want to do.

    That dog ain't gonna hunt.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You want to say it was at the point of a gun, but the fact is that the people there want it. I'm sorry, it's not at the point of a gun if it's something people want to do.

    That dog ain't gonna hunt.
    It's always in the best interest for the people to vote to make the one with the gun happy. Just look at North Korea.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Elections at the point of a gun??? Can you please provide evidence of someone threatening someone with a gun?
    Read the news. Watch the TV. Open your mind and see the facts. Until you're prepared to do that, there's nothing anyone can do to help you see the light. Others in this very thread have answered this same question.

    This is like when my kids ask me for an answer and they don't like the answer. Asking the same question over and over again isn't going to garner you the answer you're looking for.

    Russia invaded Crimea with armed force by the Russian military.

    And the long post you keep putting in multiple threads? Dude, you're surprised by a US foreign diplomat taking pictures of them in a foreign country? Meeting with foreign leaders? Handing out cookies to people in the street that are protesting for freedom? Seriously? This is supposed to show some nefarious intent?

    Open your mind. See the facts. Educate yourself regarding International Relations. Each country's IR is based on what's in the best interest for that country. The US having friends in that region is in the best national interest of the US.

    Russia invaded Ukraine. They started in Crimea and have moved now into Ukraine proper. This is an invasion. We don't know if anyone has been killed, but we do know many have been arrested and have disappeared.

    Any election conducted under those conditions cannot by any reasonable standard be trusted to be the true will of the people who are under the threat of force.

    The vote was 95%? Only 58% of the population is ethnic Russian. There's no reasonable way to believe that 100% of that 58% would vote the same way. And even if they did, that means that 88% of the remaining ethnic groups would have had to vote the same way, if they were allowed to vote at all????

    Do you know if the non-ethnic Russians were allowed to vote? And what percentage did vote if they did at all?

    Seriously... let's all use logical thinking about this.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I can't believe people are this naive to believe this election is legitimate.
    95%

    Putin seems to be more popular than Obama.

    I wonder how many hanging chads there were ?

    Maybe they should have asked for ID at the polls and the election would have turned out differently ?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Russian invades the Crimea, occupies the Parliament building with its Soldiers, uses that Parliament building to issue a decree through a new Prime Minister of Ukraine, a man who's "Russian Unity" party was founded only in 2008 and only won THREE out of one hundred seats in 2010, a man who runs an organized crime syndicate in Crimea, to hold a referendum in 10 days time which will be established and run by the Russian military.

    That is democracy? Its ****ing sickening what people find acceptable, especially considering all the pissing and moaning that goes on about how Obama is a "dictator" when an actual dictator comes up on the radar its met with a resounding apathy or quite approval.

    This is not democracy, this is not an election, its a obvious move by Russia to give a thin veil of legitimacy to what is nothing more than a military conquest of another nation's territory.

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