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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Can you provide evidence that people were voting at gunpoint? I didn't think so.

    NINETY FIVE PERCENT!
    Very good point. The same people saying such statements were for the violent overthrow of the legitimately elected government in Kiev, Ukraine. The war wing in American politics can never be satiated. In time, however, they will just fade away as people realize they are in no way shape or form supportive of liberty and democracy for all. Those terms for them are just the cover for a deeply rooted sense of bloodlust that drives them to support perpetual war against any and all. Unfortunately, I find that they are never the ones to actually go out and serve and fight the wars they advocate.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    All elections are real and show the true will of the people, especially those done at the point of a gun. As an example: Kim Jong Un 'elected' with 100% of the vote in North Korea, and with 100% turnout... amazing... WOW!!!
    That's very true. But in Crimea there were a number of folks who wanted this like it or not. The reports coming out after the elections tell of fireworks, people honking horns and partying waiving Russian flags. So at this point Crimea has made its choice. Let's wish them well on their waterless peninsula. And now Ukraine should be busy cutting off their fresh water supply. the food they grow and provide to Crimeans as well as their supply of gas. Let the great Vlad take the role of provider for the newest members of his family. Those in Crimea that worked in Ukraine can now join the ranks of the unemployed in Russia etc. Yes, let's all wish them well.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Your ignorance knows no bounds.

    Let me give you the historical play by play.

    1) Viktor Yanukovych was removed with 328 votes by the Parliament. The Ukrainian Constitution requires 338 votes and a review of the "Supreme Court". Yanukovych was accused of using snipers to kill protestors but even head members of the EU and Foreign Minsters doesn't buy that. Another source.

    2) On February 26th Ukrainian and Russian (Crimeans) clashed in Simferopol over the proposed repeal of Law of Languages by the Ukrainian Parliament. The repeal would have made the Ukrainian the only legal language despite the fact that regional languages were recognized for decades, even in Soviet Russia. There are places in Ukraine where only Hungarian is spoken for official purposes on the local level. Same with Romanian.

    3) After this clash the local Russians in Crimea asked Russia to come into protect them because they didn't trust the new Illegal Government of Ukraine and for good reason as I'll explain later.

    4) Russian send a small protection force. Considering how many troops are located in that part of Russia.

    5) Crimea officially declares a vote.


    Russia sending a protection force in to Crimea is typically the status quo when dealing with outbreaks of violence in European countries. NATO sent forces to the Balkans and provide protection to this day. Certain countries declared independence early and fought a bitter war over it. Kosovo on the other hand relied on NATO protection and "declared" independence a good 9 years into NATO control. US and others had no problem accepting.

    Crimea was always Russian, just Ukrainian in name. Many in Crimea were mad when Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine symbolically in 1954 as a 300 year anniversary gift. And they were mad when they were forced into Ukraine in 1991/1992. Crimea is and will always be Russian. Crimea wants to be apart of Russia and always has. This isn't news to those who know the history.
    There was no violence in the Crimea during the protests, and to compare it to the Balkans where millions of people were killed is just stupid. And just because the Russians have historical ties to a region doesn't give them the right to invade and annex it especially after signing a treaty, not the one in 1954, which clearly recognized the region as belonging to Ukraine. "Having a grievance" is not justification enough for invasion.

    Also like I said before, who ****ing cares about the particulars of the Ukrainian impeachment process. The guy is killing people in the street, robbing the country of its tax dollars to feed into personal bank accounts and you would rather let the suffering of millions continue and the economic stagnation and robbery of an ENTIRE country continue because its more important to follow the strict letter of the law.

    **** that, that's stupid.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well it looks like the people of Crimea has spoken. NINETY FIVE PERCENT voted to join Russia. WOW!!!

    We'll see what the people in Washington say who have been pushing democracy and the will of the people.

    Ukraine crisis: Early results show Crimea votes to join Russia - CNN.com

    That is how the United States should unit the people too. Put soldiers at all polls advising they will destroy their city if they do not vote how the military tells them to.

    Calling what happened in Crimea democracy is sadistic.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That's very true. But in Crimea there were a number of folks who wanted this like it or not. The reports coming out after the elections tell of fireworks, people honking horns and partying waiving Russian flags. So at this point Crimea has made its choice. Let's wish them well on their waterless peninsula. And now Ukraine should be busy cutting off their fresh water supply. the food they grow and provide to Crimeans as well as their supply of gas. Let the great Vlad take the role of provider for the newest members of his family. Those in Crimea that worked in Ukraine can now join the ranks of the unemployed in Russia etc. Yes, let's all wish them well.
    Any particular reason why you hate the people Crimea? Some ancient grievance of something they did to your ancestors or something?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Very good point. The same people saying such statements were for the violent overthrow of the legitimately elected government in Kiev, Ukraine. The war wing in American politics can never be satiated. In time, however, they will just fade away as people realize they are in no way shape or form supportive of liberty and democracy for all. Those terms for them are just the cover for a deeply rooted sense of bloodlust that drives them to support perpetual war against any and all. Unfortunately, I find that they are never the ones to actually go out and serve and fight the wars they advocate.
    It is amazing to read how many people such as you want worldwide proliferation of nuclear weapons. I suppose conventional war doesn't kill enough people to satisfy some people and nuclear terrorism is more interesting.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Any election done at the point of a gun is no real election.
    Apparently you missed the jubilant celebrations.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    You cast a vote after the region was been invaded by Russian troops. That is voting at the point of a gun.
    Not when the people's of the region are pro-Russian and welcoming of the Russian presence.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is amazing to read how many people such as you want worldwide proliferation of nuclear weapons. I suppose conventional war doesn't kill enough people to satisfy some people and nuclear terrorism is more interesting.
    Strange, I don't read that in his post at all.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is how the United States should unit the people too. Put soldiers at all polls advising they will destroy their city if they do not vote how the military tells them to.

    Calling what happened in Crimea democracy is sadistic.
    And calling what happened in Kiev is democratic?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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