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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Secession isn't illegal. If it was... we'd be drinking tea and spelling with a u.
    If was legal, I'd be hoeing cotton a plantation.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    They made sense, that's why you are trying to spin out of it.
    uhhh...lol okay.

    She isn't just meeting with locals. She is passing out cookies to people who are protesting against Yanukovych. How many pictures can you produce of the Assistant Secretary of State passing out cookies to people who are protesting against the prime minister of a government? I doubt you can produce any
    How many protests have their been against governments the US hasn't liked in the past...whatever...10? 20? 30? years. Let's explore this. Keep in mind that before facebook/twitter/instagram pictures in general were fewer, but let's still explore this. Might be fun.

    It's part of the refutation of you assertion that the US did not play a substantial role in the installation of Yarsenyi Yatsenyuk as prime minister.
    No, it's not. Saying Obama will be more interested in affairs in Sub-Saharan Africa because of his background doesn't mean Sub-Saharan Africa had anything to do with helping him get elected. It's just meaningless conjecture until there's proof.

    Because it's part of the process of making them powerful. You appear with them in public. Don't you understand? When people are photographed with powerful people, it makes them appear powerful too. It's a very old device. By appearing with the king, you also appear powerful. It's very simple to understand, unless of course you don't want to understand and/or you want to deceive others about what's really going on.
    Okay, again: that's what diplomats do. They appear with everyone. That's one of the the major points of them being there. Why not appear with the actual Ambassador to Ukraine, if that was so important? It's very simple to understand, unless of course you don't want to understand and/or you want to deceive others about what's really going on.

    And it's right after the State Department has threatened to impose sanctions on the Ukraine for not taking up their offer. It's right after Victoria Nuland is pictured passing out cookies to people who are protesting against the prime minister of a democratically elected government. It was taken after she is talking on the phone saying "f*ck the EU" because they are in her way. It was taken after she is on the phone telling a subordinate "Yats is the man." It's all that.
    Ahhhhh, I see. So important conversations shouldn't take place after important declarations. What's the cooling off period? When can these conversations take place without people on the internet using it as evidence of a conspiracy? Is there a cooling off period? A statute of limitations?

    I have put forward a hypothesis and I have given evidence to support my claim. The evidence is strong, people can believe it or not.
    People can believe anything they want, but that's certainly not "strong". "A US diplomat took a picture with a senior Ukranian politician, then said he was going to take power after serious unrest occurred, and then he did". It'd be strong evidence if diplomats never took pictures with senior politicians, and never gave their opinions on who would take charge in changes of power but...since that's their job....they do that all the time. So it's not very strong. At all.

    Do this for me, show me another picture of the Assistant Secretary of State of the United States passing out cookies to people who are protesting against the democratically elected prime minister of a government. Show me just one.
    We need to know about protests, and when. I'm waiting. Gimme some examples where you would've expected to see it.

    So you have been to one? Interesting.
    lol of course! You haven't? Are you just talking about things you have no idea about? lol

    So have you, or do you now work for the government? What were you doing there?
    Of course I have. I don't speak about things I know nothing about. Why would I possibly do that, I'd just look like a complete idiot! I worked for the DAT.

    The conspiracy theory stuff is spin.
    On that, we agree.

    The evidence is there, and it's powerful.
    On that, we don't. At all. Pictures with a powerful politican + saying he's the best option during a coup != a CIA created coup. That's just silly.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Secession is illegal.
    Secession isn't illegal.

    It's extralegal.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Secession isn't illegal.

    It's extralegal.
    No, it's illegal.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If was legal, I'd be hoeing cotton a plantation.
    Secession isn't legal. Only the UN says it's so. It's countries that reject the notion and will go to war over it.. big difference.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay, again: that's what diplomats do. They appear with everyone. That's one of the the major points of them being there. Why not appear with the actual Ambassador to Ukraine, if that was so important? It's very simple to understand, unless of course you don't want to understand and/or you want to deceive others about what's really going on. Ahhhhh, I see. So important conversations shouldn't take place after important declarations. What's the cooling off period? When can these conversations take place without people on the internet using it as evidence of a conspiracy? Is there a cooling off period? A statute of limitations?
    There is no statute of limitations for those susceptible to these notions. Recall how Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam was used many years after of evidence of a conspiracy of some sort? It's just people imagining they are more clever than they really are.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Secession isn't legal. Only the UN says it's so. It's countries that reject the notion and will go to war over it.. big difference.
    The question of the legality of secession was settled in 1865.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it's illegal.
    The evidence is in the action itself.

    It's extralegal.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The question of the legality of secession was settled in 1865.
    No, it wasn't.. just cause a war was lost didn't mean the idea of secession was ended and it certainly doesn't mean it for the rest of the world. Czechoslovakia left the Austro-Hungarian Empire or then left the Soviet Union in 1991 and slit into two countries. Those were secession movements. So was Republic of Ireland.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well it looks like the people of Crimea has spoken. NINETY FIVE PERCENT voted to join Russia. WOW!!!
    You are surprised? Russians are a majority there up to 60%. It is about the added 35% that were duped!
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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