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Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

OldWorldOrder said:
And somehow I think that if the US invaded a country and held a referendum that resulted in OVER NINETY FIVE PERCENT OF THE VOTERS supporting something the US supported, you'd rightly say that was complete bull****. 95%? And you accept that as real?

It could be even as high as 60%. Maybe 65%, in some crazy world. But NINETY FIVE? lol, Monte: if you said you'd think it was legit if it was pro-US, you're a liar.
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I never said I did. Funny that you don't see this for what it is.
 
Montecresto said:
Crimea is now once again Russia, don't loose sleep over it.
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Yes, Russia militarily seized Ukraine's resources and Afghanistan's resources are ours.

What part of the world do you want the next slaughter to occur?
 
Montecresto said:
I never said I did. Funny that you don't see this for what it is.
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Never said you did...what? Are you admitting you don't accept it as real?

Would you excuse such a clearly fake and manipulated result if it was pro-US?
 
Do you believe that Putin will just stay on the Ukraine border and not take back Russian-speaking portions of Eastern Ukraine ?
joko104 said:
Yes, Russia militarily seized Ukraine's resources and Afghanistan's resources are ours.

What part of the world do you want the next slaughter to occur?
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Summerwind said:
Uhm, if some chose to not vote, how is that any different than here where we're often lucky to have even 50% vote, whether because of boycott or disinterest? Does that mean every USA vote is illegitimate or only legitimate to a point?
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At least you now admit the Obama White House are liars, since it claims Russia brought in pre-marked ballots and those are what was counted.

Oh, yeah, and Jews voluntarily reported to be sent to concentrations camps, so that is what they wanted to do too.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
lol, is that what you'd say if the US did it? "Anyway, it doesn't matter". lol

Can you try to be consistent?
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If the US did what? Responded to Russia covertly working to overthrow the elected government of a country on our border that we had three military bases in and a ****load of English speaking loyal citizens. Too funny.
 
Montecresto said:
If the US did what?
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If the US oversaw a referendum that resulted in 95% of the voters supporting the US position. Would you just say "Anyway, it doesn't matter"? looool
 
It would appear a 13-1 vote in the Security Council, with China abstaining, would say Putin is wrong?
And wondering how fast, if at all, Putin's ruble and stock market will come back.
Montecresto said:
No, he's not.
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Putin needs another Cold War to strengthen his economy with an arms build-up ala the 1950's .
 
NIMBY said:
Do you believe that Putin will just stay on the Ukraine border and not take back Russian-speaking portions of Eastern Ukraine ?
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Russia will continue to cause chaos in the region - and then charge in declaring it is there to rescue Russians. The Hitler plan and relying on the historic Western's cowardice response.

But actually I think he will turn his attentions south - as that is the largest resources base to next to militarily attack and conquest. I'm sure the outcome of that vote will be 95% too.

This tactic also is how Poland was so easily defeated by Hitler as prior to the West allowing Germany to annex Poland's natural defenses front line.

Westerns just stupidly spout platitudes - the stupid masses, the ignorant mob. Militaries use tactics. Russia has now made Ukraine defenseless and stripped Ukraine of its wealth.

But I predict Russia's interests will now turn southward to it's southern border and they will use claims of terrorism and defending Russians as justification.

Seizing a countries border erases all their defenses there. Russia has not taken over all Ukraine's military bases in the Crimea region, which was the natural defense zone.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
If the US oversaw a referendum that resulted in 95% of the voters supporting the US position. Would you just say "Anyway, it doesn't matter"? looool
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Can't deal with the rest of the post I see. The US/EU was courting the Ukraine as Russia was. Russia won and the west couldn't take it and sponsored and supported a violent coup of the elected government. Only idiots would blame Putin for calling bull**** and doing what he has to do now to protect his assets and interests. Just going to have to deal with it and move on. Why do YOU even care?
 
joko104 said:
At least you now admit the Obama White House are liars, since it claims Russia brought in pre-marked ballots and those are what was counted.

Oh, yeah, and Jews voluntarily reported to be sent to concentrations camps, so that is what they wanted to do too.
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All Administrations lie, this isn't news. If you think it's only the Obama administration, then you're not worth debating in the slightest due to your lack of knowledge and your blind faith in conservative leaders.
 
NIMBY said:
Do you believe that Putin will just stay on the Ukraine border and not take back Russian-speaking portions of Eastern Ukraine ?
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I felt that the US and EU would rise up strongly in order to prevent Putin from advancing further into the Ukraine but the very weak response so far, almost encouragement in fact, is discouraging.
 
Montecresto said:
Can't deal with the rest of the post I see.
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What? The rest of your post has nothing to do with it. We know the US would respond much as Russia did. And you would, somehow, find a way to be against it. Because you're inconsistent.

The US/EU was courting the Ukraine as Russia was. Russia won and the west couldn't take it and sponsored and supported a violent coup of the elected government. Only idiots would blame Putin for calling bull**** and doing what he has to do now to protect his assets and interests. Just going to have to deal with it and move on. Why do YOU even care?
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So I dealt with the rest of your post, can you now admit you'd be posting ad nauseum against it if under American supervision a referendum took place and 95% of the voters supported the policy that the US did? What you're accepting from Russia is something you'd never accept from the US.

Because you're inconsistent.
 
NIMBY said:
It would appear a 13-1 vote in the Security Council, with China abstaining, would say Putin is wrong?
And wondering how fast, if at all, Putin's ruble and stock market will come back.

Putin needs another Cold War to strengthen his economy with an arms build-up ala the 1950's .
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We should take him up on it and turn it to ice water. We should forum alliances with all countries on Russia's Western and Southern borders, put the iron curtain back up, and use arms build-up to restore our industrial base - as only military industries can get around crushing federal regulations.

With Eastern and Southern portions of the former USSR, Russia would be only a shadow of its' past and the US and our new allies would overwhelm Russia in wealth, population and military power. We prospered and won the last cold war. We would win another one far, far more. Russia is already a collapsing country by virtually every measure, even population decline. It is a country of unemployed alcoholics. But for Western cowardice and appeasement (as with Hitler) the West could crush Russia in terms of economics and world status.

This is the stupidest move Putin could have made, but Obama and NATO are determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. A billion people will ultimately die for making treaties to avoid world nuclear proliferation worthless.
 
joko104 said:
Yes, Russia militarily seized Ukraine's resources and Afghanistan's resources are ours.

What part of the world do you want the next slaughter to occur?
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Who's being slaughtered?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
What? The rest of your post has nothing to do with it. We know the US would respond much as Russia did. And you would, somehow, find a way to be against it. Because you're inconsistent.



So I dealt with the rest of your post, can you now admit you'd be posting ad nauseum against it if under American supervision a referendum took place and 95% of the voters supported the policy that the US did? What you're accepting from Russia is something you'd never accept from the US.

Because you're inconsistent.
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You acknowledge that the US would do the same thing Russia is doing, so how is it that what Russia is doing is wrong. If they did it with no referendum at all. He had things as he needed them the fair and honest way, but the West couldn't deal with that. ****ed it all up, now Putin is taking charge of things.
 
Montecresto said:
If the US did what? Responded to Russia covertly working to overthrow the elected government of a country on our border that we had three military bases in and a ****load of English speaking loyal citizens. Too funny.
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Loyal citizens?
 
NIMBY said:
It would appear a 13-1 vote in the Security Council, with China abstaining, would say Putin is wrong?
And wondering how fast, if at all, Putin's ruble and stock market will come back.

Putin needs another Cold War to strengthen his economy with an arms build-up ala the 1950's .
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Dang Nimby. You gotta stop saying things that make sense and that I totally agree with. I screws with my mind. jk

Keep it up buddy. You're on the right track on this one and you're making good arguments.
 
Montecresto said:
Who's being slaughtered?
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Crimea is a majority of Russians due to Russian slaughter of non-Russian Crimeans, to which you believe Russia is not entitled to be rewarded.
 
The key to Russia power is the Ukraine. It is a massive natural resource base - from uranium to food to oil and gas to strategic position. Crimea is vital to Ukraine prosperity and national defense. Ukraine is not viable as a country without Crimea, nor is it defensible without Crimea. Lose of Crimea reduces Ukraine to beggars.
 
CriticalThought said:
You only named two and you apparently agree with one of them above any other option.
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Had the west not interfered with president Assad's war on terror, he would have crushed the rebellion early on and there wouldn't be over a hundred thousand dead now.
 
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