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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So a few members of the Ukranian government take a photograph together, one is seen passing out cookies during the protest, and this mysterious phone call you haven't mentioned before or sourced? All that is evidence that Barack Obama installed a government in Ukraine?
    LOL! Where did you go to spin school? You would make Edward Bernays proud!

    It wasn't just some insignificant members of the government. It is the guy who replaced the prime minister who was violently overthrown.

    And as far as the phone call goes, if anyone hasn't heard about the Victoria Nuland "f*ck the EU" phone call, they are not well informed. Of course when it first came to light, the issue was the f-word when referring to the EU. The arrogance. After "Yats" became prime minister, the ""I think Yats is the guy" stuff is more interesting.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    lol seriously? It'd actually be more impressive if the guy that took control of the country was someone that State Department folks hadn't ever met/hung out with. What do you think foreign service people of all nations get paid to do? They're supposed to hobnob with local/national/regional players and have the inside scoop of who's power is waxing and who's power is waning. That's like...ya know...one of their vital functions?

    MildSteel, you think because he was mentioned, that means he was put in charge. It's the converse: it was because he was a person who could (and, it turns out, would) be in charge that he was mentioned in the first place. You mistook for the effect for the cause. Important people get mentioned in important conversations; as opposed to being mentioned in an important conversation and then becoming important.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol seriously? It'd actually be more impressive if the guy that took control of the country was someone that State Department folks hadn't ever met/hung out with. What do you think foreign service people of all nations get paid to do? They're supposed to hobnob with local/national/regional players and have the inside scoop of who's power is waxing and who's power is waning. That's like...ya know...one of their vital functions?

    MildSteel, you think because he was mentioned, that means he was put in charge. It's the converse: it was because he was a person who could (and, it turns out, would) be in charge that he was mentioned in the first place. You mistook for the effect for the cause. Important people get mentioned in important conversations; as opposed to being mentioned in an important conversation and then becoming important.
    To be generous, although the evidence I presented, when taken of itself it is not absolute conclusive proof, it still is substantial evidence. And furthermore when you take into consideration that the US has a well known history of overthrowing leaders that it disagrees it, the evidence presented becomes powerful. In other words if the US didn't have such a well known reputation for doing this kind of thing, your case might be stronger. But unfortunately, that's not the case. Therefore Rafeal Correa, the President of Ecuador, quipped that the only reason that there hasn't been a coup in the United States is because there is no US embassy there! lol

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well it looks like the people of Crimea has spoken. NINETY FIVE PERCENT voted to join Russia. WOW!!!

    We'll see what the people in Washington say who have been pushing democracy and the will of the people.

    Ukraine crisis: Early results show Crimea votes to join Russia - CNN.com
    Oh ya, vote to join us or secede and then be invaded by us.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    These are some lame attempts at trying to spin that the US is not responsible for their boy "Yats" becoming prime minister. Dang, Nuland flat out says "Yats is the guy."

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Oh ya, vote to join us or secede and then be invaded by us.
    Ninety five per cent. So ninety five percent of the people had guns to their heads? Please!!!

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ninety five per cent. So ninety five percent of the people had guns to their heads? Please!!!
    The whole country has a gun to it's head, to both temples. On one side Ukraine/US and on the other side Russia.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    To be generous, although the evidence I presented, when taken of itself it is not absolute conclusive proof, it still is substantial evidence. And furthermore when you take into consideration that the US has a well known history of overthrowing leaders that it disagrees it, the evidence presented becomes powerful. In other words if the US didn't have such a well known reputation for doing this kind of thing, your case might be stronger. But unfortunately, that's not the case. Therefore Rafeal Correa, the President of Ecuador, quipped that the only reason that there hasn't been a coup in the United States is because there is no US embassy there! lol
    It's certainly not absolute proof, because I would venture to say there's thousands of pictures (with digital technology, that's a low ball estimate) of Americans with notable political and military personalities in basically every nation. There's literally hundreds of thousands of pictures with various foreign ministry members meeting with local/national/regional persons of note the world over. That, too, is proof of nothing and barely even evidence. The US certainly tries to promote change in its favor the world over- just like any other nation but with usually greater capability. But that doesn't mean every change the world over is at the behest of the US. And simply saying "Well, they've done it before" really isn't a tenable argument.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    The whole country has a gun to it's head, to both temples. On one side Ukraine/US and on the other side Russia.
    In a sense that's true. But I don't think the election in Crimea was held under an extreme amount of coercion.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    In a sense that's true. But I don't think the election in Crimea was held under an extreme amount of coercion.
    Like I said, the ballots only had two options: Join Russia or Secede from Ukraine.

    I believe that a lot of the people wanted to join Russia before, but the rest felt that it was the only non-violent thing to do.
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