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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Germans in the malls or restaurants or bars isn't my point. But I get what your saying. The same goes for areas around any other base that has a training program for foreign military (mostly NATO). Towns around naval bases are chock full of foreign military guys and galls.

    You would have thought that the Iraqi army had invaded parts of eastern North Carolina when we were training those guys.
    I suppose some would have felt they were invaded or under occupation.

    I remember back during the late 80's when a Japanese warship made a port of call at the Long Beach Naval Station. The Japanese went on liberty wearing their uniforms. The Japanese officers looked pretty sharp in their blue tunics and white trousers and swords hanging from their belts. Disneyland looked like it was invaded by the Japanese Navy.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I find it the usual but disappointing that over 90% of those right-wingers posting on this board
    are supporting and justifying Putin's take-over in Crimea.

    It makes me wonder what is making the few like you tick that feel this referendum is a farce .
    I believe what it really is that those "90%" "right-wingers" wish we had a competent Commander in Chief in the White House who was a leader and had a pair and didn't play checkers when Putin is playing chess.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its an invasion because the government of Ukraine did not allow those Russian troops to be there, its an invasion because the Russian military has blockaded the Ukraine military in their bases and sea ports, its an invasion because the Russian military has seized control of the government and installed a puppet in a secret election in Parliament. Did you know that in the 90s Russia signed a treaty to never violate the sovereignty of the Ukraine, including in the Crimea?

    What the **** else has to happen before you call it an invasion? Are you going to keep up with this absolutely ****ing stupid stance that forces you to ignore all these facts? Its not just the fact that they are there, its what they are doing while they are there.
    Russia already had troops in Crimea. And speaking of puppet governments, what you call the "government of Ukraine" is a puppet government that the US installed after Yanukovych was violently removed from office. That's what you call at gunpoint, BTW. WHY? Because the US didn't like the fact that Yanukovych preferred the 15 billion dollar deal Putin offered over what was being offered by the EU. Simple as that. That got Victoria Nuland in a hissy fit. So she decided to install her man Arseny Yatsenyuk, whom she refers to as "Yats", as Prime Minister of Ukraine. Here she is pictured with him and the other leaders of the so called "government of Ukraine" on February 6, 2014, BEFORE Yanukovych was violently overthrown, "at gunpoint."



    Yep, the current leaders of the so called "government of Ukraine" were hand picked by the Assistant Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland. BTW here she is passing out cookies to the protesters.



    DANG!!! She must have been mighty pissed off for her to get out in the streets and pass out cookies!!! WOW!!!

    So yeah, you can bet "Yats", the US installed puppet, better do as he is told. He doesn't want to for Victoria Nuland to kick his a$$.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Russia already had troops in Crimea. And speaking of puppet governments, what you call the "government of Ukraine" is a puppet government that the US installed after Yanukovych was violently removed from office. That's what you call at gunpoint, BTW. WHY? Because the US didn't like the fact that Yanukovych preferred the 15 billion dollar deal Putin offered over what was being offered by the EU. Simple as that. That got Victoria Nuland in a hissy fit. So she decided to install her man Arseny Yatsenyuk, whom she refers to as "Yats", as Prime Minister of Ukraine. Here she is pictured with him and the other leaders of the so called "government of Ukraine" on February 6, 2014, BEFORE Yanukovych was violently overthrown, "at gunpoint."



    Yep, the current leaders of the so called "government of Ukraine" were hand picked by the Assistant Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland. BTW here she is passing out cookies to the protesters.



    DANG!!! She must have been mighty pissed off for her to get out in the streets and pass out cookies!!! WOW!!!

    So yeah, you can "Yats" better do as he is told. He doesn't want to for Victoria Nuland to kick his a$$.
    The US did not install the new Ukrainian government, you're detached from reality.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The US did not install the new Ukrainian government, you're detached from reality.
    Do you really think a mob in the street installed the government? Plz

    Here's Victoria Nuland

    I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside.
    And here's Nuland with all three. Guess who is prime minister now? You got it, good old "Yats."



    What, do you expect the US to issue a statement that they are installing "Yats" as prime minister?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you really think a mob in the street installed the government? Plz

    Here's Victoria Nuland



    And here's Nuland with all three. Guess who is prime minister now? You got it, good old "Yats."



    What, do you expect the US to issue a statement that they are installing "Yats" as prime minister?
    I think you just said you believe in a conspiracy theory with no evidence or information, just speculation, supporting it.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Russia already had troops in Crimea. And speaking of puppet governments, what you call the "government of Ukraine" is a puppet government that the US installed after Yanukovych was violently removed from office. That's what you call at gunpoint, BTW. WHY? Because the US didn't like the fact that Yanukovych preferred the 15 billion dollar deal Putin offered over what was being offered by the EU. Simple as that. That got Victoria Nuland in a hissy fit. So she decided to install her man Arseny Yatsenyuk, whom she refers to as "Yats", as Prime Minister of Ukraine. Here she is pictured with him and the other leaders of the so called "government of Ukraine" on February 6, 2014, BEFORE Yanukovych was violently overthrown, "at gunpoint."

    Yep, the current leaders of the so called "government of Ukraine" were hand picked by the Assistant Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland. BTW here she is passing out cookies to the protesters.

    DANG!!! She must have been mighty pissed off for her to get out in the streets and pass out cookies!!! WOW!!!

    So yeah, you can bet "Yats", the US installed puppet, better do as he is told. He doesn't want to for Victoria Nuland to kick his a$$.
    If a foreign government did 'install' a puppet leader it would probably be a good thing if it was from a democracy like the US. Or who would you have preferred?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I think you just said you believe in a conspiracy theory with no evidence or information, just speculation, supporting it.
    Nice try. Brush it under the rug by applying the conspiracy theory label. The picture of Victoria Nuland with Yarsenyi Yatsenyuk, Vitali Klitschko, and Oleh Tyahnybok is evidence. The picture of Victoria Nuland passing out cookies to the protesters is evidence. The transcript of the phone call where Victor Nuland says, "I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside," is evidence.

    What do you need? Barack Obama to proclaim that the US installed "Yats" as prime minister?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If a foreign government did 'install' a puppet leader it would probably be a good thing if it was from a democracy like the US. Or who would you have preferred?
    I think it was a mistake, I would have preferred that the matter be settled in an election. That's what democracy is SUPPOSED to be about. The events provoked an unnecessary crisis, that if it is not handled properly could spiral into the nastiest war the world has seen. Though, as we have discussed, that scenario is not likely. Never should have come to this point. But, in a way it's a good thing. Perhaps this is moving the area to a point of settling these old issues. So maybe in the long run it's good. But at the very least, it could have been handled much, much better.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Nice try. Brush it under the rug by applying the conspiracy theory label. The picture of Victoria Nuland with Yarsenyi Yatsenyuk, Vitali Klitschko, and Oleh Tyahnybok is evidence. The picture of Victoria Nuland passing out cookies to the protesters is evidence. The transcript of the phone call where Victor Nuland says, "I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside," is evidence.

    What do you need? Barack Obama to proclaim that the US installed "Yats" as prime minister?
    So a few members of the Ukranian government take a photograph together, one is seen passing out cookies during the protest, and this mysterious phone call you haven't mentioned before or sourced? All that is evidence that Barack Obama installed a government in Ukraine?



    I was worried before that people may take you seriously, now not so much.

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