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Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

OldWorldOrder said:
Everything I was saying was the Dave, and being incredulous that he could think it was a secret CIA plot. You responded to my posts to him.
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All anyone has to do is look at post #198 and they will see the comments were directly to MildSteel not DaveFagan. That's no conspiracy theory and can be easily verified. What you posted simply was not true.
 
MildSteel said:
All anyone has to do is look at post #198 and they will see the comments were directly to MildSteel not DaveFagan. That's no conspiracy theory and can be easily verified. What you posted simply was not true.
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Yes, because you came to his aid- he was the one saying that, everything I was saying (that you responded to) was refuting that.

So you agree there wasn't a secret American plot to install this current Ukrainian government? Great, nothing to argue about!
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Yes, because you came to his aid!
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Again not true. I said that Victoria Nuland was substantially involved in the installation of a new prime minister BEFORE DaveFagan began posting in the thread.
 
joko104 said:
That is how the United States should unit the people too. Put soldiers at all polls advising they will destroy their city if they do not vote how the military tells them to.
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Where is your evidence? A baseless claim.
 
MildSteel said:
Again not true. I said that Victoria Nuland was substantially involved in the installation of a new prime minister BEFORE DaveFagan began posting in the thread.
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So it was now the State Department, with no help from the CIA, involved in a secret plot to install the new Ukrainian head of state?
 
MildSteel said:
It becomes problematic when the interference becomes so intense that a major nuclear armed power begins to have legitimate concerns for it's security right on it's near borders.
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Who is interfering with whom and whose security was threatened?
The thing is this, it becomes a problem when it provokes unnecessary conflict with a major power. They way the whole situation was handled was wrong. Not only that, but you don't see US supported NGOs in Saudi Arabia, which has a more repressive society than Russia. There is a reason for that.
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What 'unnecessary conflict' are you referring to? This has nothing to to do with Saudi Arabia.
 
MildSteel said:
Again not true. I said that Victoria Nuland was substantially involved in the installation of a new prime minister BEFORE DaveFagan began posting in the thread.
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You mean Victoria "The Cookie Monster" Nuland overthrew the corrupt former leader of the Ukraine? With this on her resume, and her incredible powers of persuasion, she could become the first female US President!
 
OldWorldOrder said:
So it was now the State Department, with no help from the CIA, involved in a secret plot to install the new Ukrainian head of state?
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Well there you go. Knock yourself out.
 
Grant said:
You mean Victoria "The Cookie Monster" Nuland overthrew the corrupt former leader of the Ukraine? With this on her resume, and her incredible powers of persuasion, she could become the first female US President!
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Moving on. Let's see if we can challenge all that intelligence that you have. As I see it, where we stand now is that the US has it's puppet government in Kiev, and Russia is in the process of annexing Crimea. Obviously, the relationship is strained at this point to say the least. So what are some things that the US could do to make things difficult for Russia, without making things difficult for itself. One way would be through Iran. Previously, Russia has leveraged the negative relationship that Iran has with the US to it's advantage. However, now that tensions have risen between the US and Russia, and there appears to be a move towards rapprochement between the US and Iran, perhaps the tables can be turned. If the US were to have favorable relations with Iran, it would put Russia off balance in the Middle East because the leverage they had would be gone. What do you think of that? What suggestions do you have?
 
Higgins86 said:
Still occupied them though and overthrew the existing government. Austria made no formal request to the Nazi's just as Crimea did not ask Putin to intervene.
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Actually, that's not how it went down in Austria. Nor Crimea.

Kurt Schuschnigg, Austria's Chancellor called for a referendum in Jan or Feb of 1938 for a vote later in the year but that was canceled after Austrian Nazi's took power. So we will never truly know if Austrians would have voted to stay independent or not.

Crimea's legislature voted Sergey Aksyonov as PM and he officially asked for Russia's help.
 
joko104 said:
The Jewish holocaust went quite smooth too. That also was just "police work."
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Wtf, no it wasn't. What is with the Hitler holocaust comparisons. That's pretty stupid dude.
 
CriticalThought said:
Didn't the people who opposed the vote choose to boycott it?
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Let's assume that all those people voted for the other option. Do you think the final result would have changed? I doubt it.
 
The White House claims the vote counting was a fraud and that Russia brought in pre-marked ballots.

Do any of you claim the Obama's staff are lying? I mean, an election under an direction invasion military force certainly would be a fraud-less election.
 
CriticalThought said:
Didn't the people who opposed the vote choose to boycott it?
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So are our elections fraudulent because usually 50% or more boycott them either as a boycott or more likely just didn't vote? They had 80% or more turnout, which is a hell of a lot better than we manage here. Also since Republicans are putting undue hardship on likely Democratic voters in many states, does that make those elections fraudulent as well?

If you're going to use that as evidence, you have to use it equally to all countries and elections. I'm going to guess that you don't do that.
 
joko104 said:
The White House claims the vote counting was a fraud and that Russia brought in pre-marked ballots.

Do any of you claim the Obama's staff are lying? I mean, an election under an direction invasion military force certainly would be a fraud-less election.
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Do you claim that the Obama administration doesn't lie?
 
MildSteel said:
Let's assume that all those people voted for the other option. Do you think the final result would have changed? I doubt it.
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Probably not but it sounds like a lot of people were voting with the impression that it would avoid war with Russia. It seems far from legitimate.
 
CriticalThought said:
Probably not but it sounds like a lot of people were voting with the impression that it would avoid war with Russia. It seems far from legitimate.
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Let's assume that to be the case. Some people here in the US voted for Obama just because they didn't want Romney. Does that mean the election was not legitimate?
 
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