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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Crimea didn't fight to get away from Russia. They were a gift to the Ukraine from Russia after the collapse of USSR, iirc. No war, none of what you're saying.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Russian invades the Crimea, occupies the
    Parliament building with its Soldiers, uses that Parliament building to issue a decree through a new Prime Minister of Ukraine, a man who's "Russian Unity" party was founded only in 2008 and only won THREE out of one hundred seats in 2010, a man who runs an organized crime syndicate in Crimea, to hold a referendum in 10 days time which will be established and run by the Russian military.

    That is democracy? Its ****ing sickening what people find acceptable, especially considering all the pissing and moaning that goes on about how Obama is a "dictator" when an actual dictator comes up on the radar its met with a resounding apathy or quite approval.

    This is not democracy, this is not an election, its a obvious move by Russia to give a thin veil of legitimacy to what is nothing more than a military conquest of another nation's territory.
    I dont think any reasonable individual would consider this referendum to be anything but the farce that it is.

    It makes me wonder why Putin even bothered.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    But then why have a problem with Crimea in a completely non-violent way choosing their own futures? Would you be more in favor of Crimea joining Russia if they'd staged huge protests against Ukraine? How bizarre.
    You have a point, that makes my point. For the same reason I would have a problem with Mexico taking over southern California or annexing Brownsville, Texas or so on. For the same reason I would have a problem if the majority Hispanic population of those US areas if they tried to succeed from the US and join Mexico, or Venezuela or anyone else.

    I understand your thoughts though.

    It isn't their country, not Russia.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    As the Ukrainian government was usurped through a coup, it's open season, everything is fair game.. Good on Russia...
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm not even going to read past your first ignorant statement. We invade a country and you think we shouldn't be attacked by those that live there? Wow.
    That's not what I said or what I meant. Maybe I didn't understand your question, or you asked a question that didn't reflect your thoughts?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    It doesn't matter if its in the past, HOW THE **** ARE THEY RELATED. How the **** does one country doing something wrong, whether today, or yesterday, or 5 years or 100 years ago give another country the right to do something wrong as well?

    The US illegally invaded Iraq, how the **** does that give Russia the right to illegal invade the Crimea?
    The USA didn't illegally invade Iraq. Technically under international law the U.S. and UK were still at war with Iraq. Iraq didn't surrender during the first Gulf War under the G.H. Bush administration, only a cease fire agreement was signed.

    Every time Saddam Husein ordered his military to violate that cease fire agreement by trying to shoot down U.S. and UK aircraft that were enforcing the no fly zone, it was an act of war against the USA and the UK.

    Now if the 1998 "Iraq Liberation Act" passed by the Democrats controlled Congress and signed into law by President Clinton who called for regime change in Iraq and so did Hillary was legal or not ??? G.W. Bush just enforced the law of the land passed by Democrats and signed into law by Clinton, regime change in Iraq.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I dont think any reasonable individual would consider this referendum to be anything but the farce that it is.

    It makes me wonder why Putin even bothered.
    Because lots of people, like you can see here, will believe that its legit and it gives other folks who want to support Russia but need a reason to something to stand on. For example even the Chinese could use this referendum lots of ways if they wanted to take a stance, they could recognize it as legitimate or they could use it as a reason to stand against the west but not exactly stand with Russia either by bringing up concerns but recognizing the intent. This could apply to any nation still on the fence, plus it gives the Russians a propaganda tool for the Crimean people themselves, it hardens the support of supporters of Russian unity who now can believe they've legitimized their opinion and it gives Crimean still on the fence a reason to come over if they accept the referendum in their minds.

    In the end for Russia its better to have a bull**** validation of their actions than no validation at all.

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    He fled the country because he was killing his people in the streets and knew his time was done. What the **** do you want to bring this guy back, this guy who bankrupted his country, stole 70 billion dollars of tax payer dollars to enrich his own bank account because the lines of impeachment weren't exactly followed? DO you think that's what's best for Ukraine? Hand the country over to a thief? That's ****ing stupid.
    So did Ukraine do the legal thing and remove him correctly? No! So rest is just bluster. If you are all for doing the right thing the right way.. you start there first.
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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    ukraine leased bases to russia, mainly the naval base of sevastapol.
    I know, that was part of my point. The US leases land from multiple countries around the world as well. Are you saying that gives them the right to move out of those bases and take over the local towns and countryside?

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    re: Crimea votes to join Russia[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Because lots of people, like you can see here, will believe that its legit and it gives other folks who want to support Russia but need a reason to something to stand on. For example even the Chinese could use this referendum lots of ways if they wanted to take a stance, they could recognize it as legitimate or they could use it as a reason to stand against the west but not exactly stand with Russia either by bringing up concerns but recognizing the intent. This could apply to any nation still on the fence, plus it gives the Russians a propaganda tool for the Crimean people themselves, it hardens the support of supporters of Russian unity who now can believe they've legitimized their opinion and it gives Crimean still on the fence a reason to come over if they accept the referendum in their minds.

    In the end for Russia its better to have a bull**** validation of their actions than no validation at all.
    as long as no one is stupid enough to open fire on the russians, the russians cannot justify any further expansion.
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