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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Rather history shows us the "dismal failure" of societies that used the term "socialism" to cover up dictatorships led by megalomaniacs. Some of the oldest organisations in the world are socialistic - monastic orders are fine examples of how pure communism can work but only in relatively small groups in which every member believes the basic tenets of the group. Communism just doesn't work for nations, humans are never going to all agree that just one way is the only way. Democratic socialism does work because it allows the members to express their views without fear. It can provide opportunities for citizens who otherwise would not have such opportunities. Modern democratic socialism accepts the reality that not all means of production should be held in common, there should be some competition in the market place but you will have more competitors when you have more people not worrying about the basic necessities of life.
    Or worrying about improving your life ad the more you work and earn the more you are forced to give up.
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Was that aimed at me?
    What makes you think that? Is that the war you feel about your comments?

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What makes you think that? Is that the war you feel about your comments?
    Was asking for clarification. Thats all. Forum communication can lead to misunderstandings
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Or worrying about improving your life ad the more you work and earn the more you are forced to give up.
    Don't know much about the world outside Texas, I would guess
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The NASA mission has now morphed from running the national space shuttle service to conducting income inequality studies? It may be time to defund this bunch of "experts".
    You forgot climate change.
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    This all makes me wonder if the government is actively driving as many people "off the grid" (not just off the power grid) as possible.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Not sure what "industry" has to do with it, unless industry is a general reference, but let's face it, there will be a collapse of society eventually. Too many irreconcilable differences among cultures. Something is going to have to give, one ideology will win out over the other, and if I'm planning for it, I'd rather it be the conservative ideology over all others. Can't see liberalism lasting as people tend to not like having to work their asses off to pay for the other half that doesn't.


    Of course no one in our current admin is planning for this, heck Obama seems awfully willing to let other nations walk all over him. I dunno, maybe, well surely he thinks we'll all come together one day before the great purge of ideologies, but like all liberals that think this way, they have no idea that they'll be the first to get branded and themselves purged. The tipping point (scientifically speaking not metaphorically) is anyone's guess, but it's not too far away IMO. We'll see smaller microcosms on full display first, then the big one. The liberals have enjoyed some success of the last 40 years or so nudging us in the progressive direction, but it won't last. It's inevitable


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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    It is a study and not a theory. As such they are not out to prove anything, but draw intelligent and reasonable conclusions, something that you prefer to oppose for some reason.

    As I said, intelligent and reasonable conclusions.

    No it is a study and it has a conclusion,

    Really? And what expertise do you have that prompts this assertion on your part? So far you only referred to flying pigs and that I am afraid is not a very encouraging credential, but by all means, do provide your own conclusions or point out the errors in the study.
    Are we talking about the same thing? Because if we are you'd know it is very hard to disproven a "study" that doesn't prove anything. The entire "study" is based on using history to make assumptions, and assumptions by definition are not "intelligent and responsible conclusions."

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Are we talking about the same thing?
    Apparently not, as you are still looking for a study to prove something.

    The entire "study" is based on using history to make assumptions
    That is an amazing observation on your part. I do not know if you know this but reliable data from the future is exceptionally hard to obtain and that is why known facts from the past are used as data and the past is history as they say.

    and assumptions by definition are not "intelligent and responsible conclusions."
    But conclusions based on verifiable data are intelligent and reasonable, not to mention that you haven't been able to show any errors in methodology or the data used.

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