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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Bull****. NASA has been studying it for decades. They know how to do it, they just cannot afford to do it because we waste way to much money on the lazy welfare crowd.
    I think it's because we waste too much money on fighter planes that don't work.
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Bull****. NASA has been studying it for decades. They know how to do it, they just cannot afford to do it because we waste way to much money on the lazy welfare crowd.
    Wrong it is simple scientific fact there is no way to do it and this is not something which can be kept secret.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's not a threat
    Tell that to Japan.
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    What else did they "prove" in this study?
    It is a study and not a theory. As such they are not out to prove anything, but draw intelligent and reasonable conclusions, something that you prefer to oppose for some reason.

    That pigs can fly and aliens visited Mars?
    As I said, intelligent and reasonable conclusions.

    This study is little more then an opinion.
    No it is a study and it has a conclusion,

    There is no way they can reach any such conclusion based on the "evidence" they presented.
    Really? And what expertise do you have that prompts this assertion on your part? So far you only referred to flying pigs and that I am afraid is not a very encouraging credential, but by all means, do provide your own conclusions or point out the errors in the study.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    why is nasa making this study and not an anthropological group?

    also, i hope they are wrong and its at least 60 years away so that my kids will have had times to live their lives completely.
    And therein is the problem. You wish YOUR kids to be well. While that is somewhat a natural reaction it is not a wise one and ultimately self defeating.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    ...another stupid stupid study to rile up the gullible
    or one to bring out the ignorant and their irrelevant moronic comments.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Just a 'few' items in this story to stir up discussion



    Items to discuss

    " high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources"

    under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid."

    how do we humans " reduce economic inequality" and also find a way " to dramatically reduce resource consumption "??

    work by KPMG and the UK's Government Office for Science shows that resource exploitation could create a "perfect storm" of civilisational-ending crises by 2030.
    I think we are pretty near to a collapse of the global economy due to rising inequality and automation. Here is how this will work:

    1. Middle class consumers keep the economy running smoothly. Automation, however, guts the middle class, pushing the wealth to both the bottom and the top, with the top getting the lion's share.

    2. With fewer middle class consumers, the economy begins to slow down.

    3. In order to stay alive in a down economy, businesses look into automating even more than before -- automation investments increase.

    4. But this further guts the middle class, and the cycle continues.

    I know people don't believe me, but I'll say it again anyhow: we are less than a decade away from a collapse of the global system. I think the downturn will begin by about 2020, maybe even a little earlier. Right now, computers and software are having an effect on inequality and jobs; and the effect will continue to grow at ever accelerating rates in the coming years. Intelligent software will improve dramatically, and businesses will not be able to resist using it to replace workers. The net effect is something like between 5 and 15% of jobs lost due to automation (and not recovered by other, newer jobs) by 2020 -- add that to job loss and inequality coming from other places, and you have a very serious unemployment and/or inequality crisis on your hands.

    I think that Occupy Wall Street will rise from the ashes like a Phoenix in the coming years, and we will see a massive protest movement in industrial countries that's going to make the French Revolution look like the Whiskey Rebellion in comparison. The end of capitalism is coming sooner than you think.
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    or one to bring out the ignorant and their irrelevant moronic comments.
    Was that aimed at me?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    I think we are pretty near to a collapse of the global economy due to rising inequality and automation. Here is how this will work:

    1. Middle class consumers keep the economy running smoothly. Automation, however, guts the middle class, pushing the wealth to both the bottom and the top, with the top getting the lion's share.

    2. With fewer middle class consumers, the economy begins to slow down.

    3. In order to stay alive in a down economy, businesses look into automating even more than before -- automation investments increase.

    4. But this further guts the middle class, and the cycle continues.

    I know people don't believe me, but I'll say it again anyhow: we are less than a decade away from a collapse of the global system. I think the downturn will begin by about 2020, maybe even a little earlier. Right now, computers and software are having an effect on inequality and jobs; and the effect will continue to grow at ever accelerating rates in the coming years. Intelligent software will improve dramatically, and businesses will not be able to resist using it to replace workers. The net effect is something like between 5 and 15% of jobs lost due to automation (and not recovered by other, newer jobs) by 2020 -- add that to job loss and inequality coming from other places, and you have a very serious unemployment and/or inequality crisis on your hands.

    I think that Occupy Wall Street will rise from the ashes like a Phoenix in the coming years, and we will see a massive protest movement in industrial countries that's going to make the French Revolution look like the Whiskey Rebellion in comparison. The end of capitalism is coming sooner than you think.
    If OWS got thier way we'll all be living in misery sans an elite few. History shows the dismal failure of socialism.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If OWS got thier way we'll all be living in misery sans an elite few. History shows the dismal failure of socialism.
    Rather history shows us the "dismal failure" of societies that used the term "socialism" to cover up dictatorships led by megalomaniacs. Some of the oldest organisations in the world are socialistic - monastic orders are fine examples of how pure communism can work but only in relatively small groups in which every member believes the basic tenets of the group. Communism just doesn't work for nations, humans are never going to all agree that just one way is the only way. Democratic socialism does work because it allows the members to express their views without fear. It can provide opportunities for citizens who otherwise would not have such opportunities. Modern democratic socialism accepts the reality that not all means of production should be held in common, there should be some competition in the market place but you will have more competitors when you have more people not worrying about the basic necessities of life.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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