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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

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    Which part of those two options do you take issue with?
    Both!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Both!
    You think overconsumption is a good long-term plan?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    (unless the uber-rich begin hoarding all resources)
    Yeah, it would be terrible to live in a world where the rich own and control virtually everything, including resources. Oh, wait...

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When liberals tell you that resources are finite and overconsumption is not a good long-term strategy, yes, you should listen to liberals.

    If a liberal says that resources are infinite and we shouldn't ever worry about the rate of consumption, you should not listen to that liberal.
    We could be taking resources from space in the near future if the ignoramuses don't completely shut down our space program.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The only thing that is truly impossible to accomplish is that which we believe to be impossible.
    This is not belief it is science.

    There is no way off this rock.

    Maybe in a thousand or few hundred years but not now

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Ants have been around a lot longer than human beings. If civilization collapses and we die out, they will still be around. Perhaps the lesson to learn is live within the means of your environment?
    Been done.

    Primitive peoples lived within the means of their environment and lived in misery.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    why is nasa making this study and not an
    anthropological group?

    also, i hope they are wrong and its at least 60 years away so that my kids will have had times to live their lives completely.
    Because in 2008, their priorities were changed. From a once world renowned agency to a propaganda machine for Obama and his corrupt ideology.

    Look no further than who's running that agency.

    Its sad really.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Study an ant colony.

    It sends out worker drones to collect resources so the colony can expand.

    Eventually, there are no more resources left so the colony must move to a new location with fresh resources.

    What if, that colony is a planet with 10 billion people and there are no more resources. No new planet to run to.

    Are you folks so anthropocentric to think we are somehow special and immune to the laws nature?

    The prediction of 2030 is certainly off, and the dire tales of economic stratification are largely unwarranted (unless the uber-rich begin hoarding all resources), but we need to re-think just how quickly we are using up what precious gifts our planet has given us.
    We are. It's the defining characteristic of being human. Having another human being is more than just another mouth to feed and body to clothe--it's another mind capable of expanding our access to resources and improving our quality of life. The Earth has a mass of six trillion trillion kilograms and we've only scratched the surface (literally) of its bounty. How did we avoid peak oil? Peak Copper? Peak Tungsten? Peak Nickel? Peak Tin? By innovating new methods for reaching deeper and more inaccessible fields and by creating new tools for increasing efficiency from existing ones. It is a process we will continue to repeat for other resources because the raw materials are there in abundant quantities. Where there is a need a way will be found as it always has.

    The same types of innovations that lifted us above our problems in the 20th Century will form the blueprint for the 21st. The rise of cheap desalination, innovations in biotechnology and GMO's, more sophisticated extraction methods for rare earths and other minerals, new deposits of oil and gas, revolutions in battery technology, perhaps even developments in renewables like Solar (not at present), and so much more. We live in a century of fantastic possibility. Our only realistic hope is that our genius measures up to the task. Planning for massive global legislation and controls for carbon, water management, or whatever the issue of the day may be is not only unrealistic but counter-productive as it retards growth which breeds the dynamism that allows that aforementioned genius to rise to the surface.

    We're already in the infancy of a commercial space program with a solar system of resources at our disposal--people are too quick to err on the side of pessimism given our repeated history of success.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    This is not belief it is science.

    There is no way off this rock.

    Maybe in a thousand or few hundred years but not now
    There certainly is a way off this rock, there are people orbiting above it as we speak. The issue is a reliable, cheap, and ideally reusable lifter to get us to orbit and beyond. Fortunately we're undergoing a veritable renaissance in space development driven largely (but not exclusively) by the emergence of the commercial space sector. There are multiple competing plans for a reusable space vehicle and no small hope that one of them may succeed. Hundreds of years? I really don't think so.

    Plus if we really, really needed to there are ways to throw a ton of mass into orbit (and beyond) that we could opt to.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Ants have been around a lot longer than human beings. If civilization collapses and we die out, they will still be around. Perhaps the lesson to learn is live within the means of your environment?
    Which results in a horrible standard of living and is a completely artificial limitation. We have advanced by steadily increasing the resources drawn from our environment. The field which at first glance offers only berries and nuts can be plowed and seeded. The river which seems only to offer the occasional fish can be dammed for power and hatcheries created. Human beings are resource multipliers, everything we do is unnatural and manipulative of our environment. We create resources, we expand upon them, and we build civilization atop this mastery.

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