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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    The ant colony analogy fails.

    Ant colonies don't change. Haven't for the centuries we've studied them, and likely not in a million years. Ants don't invent. They simply repeat the same course of action.
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The ant colony analogy fails.

    Ant colonies don't change. Haven't for the centuries we've studied them, and likely not in a million years. Ants don't invent. They simply repeat the same course of action.
    Ants have been around a lot longer than human beings. If civilization collapses and we die out, they will still be around. Perhaps the lesson to learn is live within the means of your environment?

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Ants have been around a lot longer than human beings. If civilization collapses and we die out, they will still be around. Perhaps the lesson to learn is live within the means of your environment?
    This flies in the face of using them as an example of living above the means of our environment.
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    This flies in the face of using them as an example of living above the means of our environment.
    Nope, because in that example the colony collapses and they move to a new location with fresh resources.

    We only have one Earth.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Nope, because in that example the colony collapses and they move to a new location with fresh resources.

    We only have one Earth.
    Back to my original refutation. Ants don't invent. Ants do exactly the same thing, exactly the same way, every time.

    In less than 100 years, we went from starvation being a real concern to having an abundance of food. At least in the US. Because we DONT do exactly the same thing, the same way, over and over.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    This is what happens when government finances research for its gain and not it's citizens.


    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Just a 'few' items in this story to stir up discussion



    Items to discuss

    " high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources"

    under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid."

    how do we humans " reduce economic inequality" and also find a way " to dramatically reduce resource consumption "??

    work by KPMG and the UK's Government Office for Science shows that resource exploitation could create a "perfect storm" of civilisational-ending crises by 2030.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When liberals tell you that resources are finite and overconsumption is not a good long-term strategy, yes, you should listen to liberals.

    If a liberal says that resources are infinite and we shouldn't ever worry about the rate of consumption, you should not listen to that liberal.
    See? The Libbos havw all the answers.

    We need to let the government take everything over, too?
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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Back to my original refutation. Ants don't invent. Ants do exactly the same thing, exactly the same way, every time.

    In less than 100 years, we went from starvation being a real concern to having an abundance of food. At least in the US. Because we DONT do exactly the same thing, the same way, over and over.
    I'm not entirely sure how our resource-dependent growth differs from their resource-dependent growth. I'm sure the ant colony looks like Wall Street in the 20s, right before the crumbs run dry.

    We are different, provided we can freely create resources. Even if we had free energy, our civilization is dependent on petroleum, oxygen, and sunlight, among other things. We don't yet have the capability to manufacture these things on a global scale.

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    re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:76]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    See? The Libbos havw all the answers.

    We need to let the government take everything over, too?
    Which part of those two options do you take issue with?
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