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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I believe it may simply be a lack of equal pay for equal work, and that form of social dilemma.
    Could you clarify there? I mean there are a lot of different modes, methods, and levels of 'work' in general....
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Just a 'few' items in this story to stir up discussion



    Items to discuss

    " high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources"

    under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid."

    how do we humans " reduce economic inequality" and also find a way " to dramatically reduce resource consumption "??

    work by KPMG and the UK's Government Office for Science shows that resource exploitation could create a "perfect storm" of civilisational-ending crises by 2030.
    There has been little doubt, that societies are fragile and that any society that irretrievably disapates the resources from which lives, collapses, when technological advances can no longer compensate the drain.

    The social issues are certainly something that we probably can improve later. Momentarily we are performing rather well in that respect even if it feels differently in the wealthier countries, where the income on capital has outstripped that from labor in the latest decades. But that is a local problem. Globally huge numbers of once poor populations have attained middle class living standards. This has been achieved by a process of reallocation based on relative costs of production and has vastly increased human welfare. So, while it may make sense in the long run to find new ways to make society more egalitarian, it is something that has been happening all the while.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Could you clarify there? I mean there are a lot of different modes, methods, and levels of 'work' in general....
    How do you explain crony forms of capitalism?

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    How do you explain crony forms of capitalism?
    It's easy. Take all your socialist bs and replace the "The People" with "the Corporation".
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    It's easy. Take all your socialist bs and replace the "The People" with "the Corporation".
    Not much of a difference considering the Body politic is pretty much the same.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    How do you explain crony forms of capitalism?
    Corruption....Now, can you address my question?
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Corruption....Now, can you address my question?
    I subscribe to this line of reasoning:

    A corporation is most often a type of legal entity, often formed to conduct business but public bodies, charities and clubs are often corporations as well. Corporations take many forms including: statutory corporations, corporations sole, joint-stock companies and cooperatives.

    Any group of persons united or regarded as united in one body.[1][2]

    ....

    Source: Corporation (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The state is a corporation and Body politic.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I subscribe to this line of reasoning:



    The state is a corporation and Body politic.
    No, the state, is the state. They wield powers that corporations never could. Only in a situation where the state is granted sole control over the people without their consent could that be so. And that friend, is not a country I'd want to live in.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, the state, is the state. They wield powers that corporations never could. Only in a situation where the state is granted sole control over the people without their consent could that be so. And that friend, is not a country I'd want to live in.
    I meant it in this context:

    Any group of persons united or regarded as united in one body.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I meant it in this context:
    That loose definition could apply to almost any group.

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