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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Overconsumption and economic inequality are in fact entirely subjective and no scientific data or evidence proves they are harmful.
    Riiiiiights, thanks for the opinion.

    That is why such counterarguments are not needed.
    More like you are not able to, so you dismiss, typical.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Uhhh...

    Sunshines on solar panels, unfiltered by atmosphere. This produces electricity. Lots of it.

    Electic lights and heating are century old technology.

    You are aware that they grow plants on the ISS, right?

    You keep SAYING stuff. Do you have anything to cite?

    You keep talking nonsense while completely ignoring the two main difficulties: bone loss and radiation. Both of which can be mitigated on the moon.

    As with the anthropoly bit, put up or shut up.
    SOlar pane,s are now like plants to you?

    Here is a clue for the clueless solar panels are manufactured from various materials. Plants are living organisims. Your comparison is a false one and a failure.

    Also for your general information solar panels do not produce electricity they transfer solar energy to batteries.

    Yes they grow plants on the iSS and protect them from direct exposure to radiation and sunlight unless they are attempting to sudy the effects of said direct sunlight.

    It is you saying stuff which is irgnorant and without any bassis in science.

    Try alibrary for your ignorance in both anthropology and science

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Riiiiiights, thanks for the opinion.

    More like you are to able to so you dismiss, typical.
    An opinion in answer to opinion.

    Dismissal of opinon? Sure

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Care to name a power plant for providing heat and light which runs off of hydrogen or oxygen?

    Using rocket fuel is certianly using an energy source but every energy source is not viable for every energy need. Just as the applications for internal combustion are limited( one cannot launch a rocket into space using a fossil fuel internal combustion engine ) the applications for hydrogen and oxygen are limited.

    Water is constantly recycled by the earth not by people. The moon has no ecosystem to recycle water and we have found the the idea of artificially recycling water for a permanent habitat is beyond our grasp.

    The atmosphere filters sun light which ALLOWS plants to grow. Lack of such atmosphere ( and lack of magentic field ) means too much radiation and sun light to allow plant growth.

    The water found is SIGNIFICANT but that is a highly subjective term. Much of what your link talks about is theory which is far beyond our current level of technology to exploit. This is why the article constantly refers to potential much the same way gravity is a potential energy source but we are a long way from harnassing it for any meaningful application.

    My resource argument is compltely factual yours is more akin to science fiction
    NASA - Habitation Systems Project - NASA's Deep Space Habitat

    Perhaps you should read up on where we are at before making predictions about what cannot be done. NASA has been doing various space habitat studies for decades.

    This should interest you since you're concerned about food. NASA - LED Lights Used in Plant Growth Experiments for Deep Space Missions

    We use semi-closed nuclear systems on submarines, or maybe the are fully closed, don't know that much about their power plants, since the 1950s. Really think it is that hard to add cooling tubes to reclaim the water and re-use it? Nuclear reaction causes heat, heat turns water to steam, steam turns turbines, turbines turn generators, generators make electricity. Recycle the water and repeat. Not to mention lots and lots of room for solar panels without the atmosphere soaking up energy or reflecting back into space.

    Recycling water is easy, heat until turned to steam, run steam through cooling loops, you get distilled water. Put in a lead lining to block radiation and you probably could recycle water while generating electrical power.

    Those plants up there that they can grow with LEDs need fertilizer. Well, what do you know, what comes out of us after eating plants contains a lot of what those plants need. So after separating out the water, burn or heat to level to kill bacteria, feed to plants.

    Oxygen, hmm, lets see, humans and other animals take in oxygen, give off CO2. Plants take in CO2 and give off oxygen. Guess they need enough plants to augment the scrubbers.

    Bone density problem is easily solved by generating a sort of artificial gravity, kind of like a hamsters wheel. Just make sure everyone spends enough time in there.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    An opinion in answer to opinion.
    No, you offered an opinion where you were unable to offer something meaningful or relevant, not to mention intelligent.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    No, you offered an opinion where you were unable to offer something meaningful or relevant, not to mention intelligent.
    Which is exactly what my opinion was in response to

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Which is exactly what my opinion was in response to
    You are still confused, but it is OK, that is the norm for those who feel a desperate need interject drivel into conversations where they lack the ability to contribute. Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    I did put up and you did not look you just are too childish to deasl with ignorance
    And you did not read my post, as i clearly said i had looked and found support for my general premise, not refutation.

    Hence my request for your sources.

    You see, without them its just some anonymous person saying things.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And you did not read my post, as i clearly said i had looked and found support for my general premise, not refutation.

    Hence my request for your sources.

    You see, without them its just some anonymous person saying things.
    You found no support only an opinion there is no difference

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    I believe it may simply be a lack of equal pay for equal work, and that form of social dilemma.

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