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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Anthropology, dude. Study it.

    Historical fact doesn't threaten your precious global finance capitalism.

    We have more comfort and toys. We work more for it. It is what it is.

    The primitive lifestyle ship has sailed. We exceeded the natural carrying capacity long ago.

    Polynesians alone belie your premise. They lived in abundance. Thousands of islands and the bounty of tropical seas.
    Your source was one book which is not valid.

    Anthropology in general proves your claim false.

    Polynesians do not belie anything and we work less for more.

    Primitive man in every part of the world was poor and living in misery sorry that I stated factas and sorry that you are ignorant of anthropology and history but you are now hit the books.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Moon has water. That's water, air and fuel.

    Luddites is funny. Do you refuse to fly because folks like you considered it impossible?
    Water is not air and food and the moon has no viable water for us to exploit

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Yeah... the idea that everyone would be happy if we all just had the same things/lived primitively is preposterous and ignores human nature. People by nature are different. We like different things, prefer different things, are motivated by different ideals, hold different values, have different physical and mental charicteristics, and approach the world from different perspectives. Those differences will inevitably give rise to individual and group conflict within and between any group/groups of people. Poverty is a an idea of relativity. Wherever there is difference, there will be poverty. Wherever there are at least two people, there will be differences between them. Both will be in states of relative poverty at the same time with regards to their differences. It is when individuals/groups allow their impoverishments to define them that conflict arises.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Your source was one book which is not valid.

    Anthropology in general proves your claim false.

    Polynesians do not belie anything and we work less for more.

    Primitive man in every part of the world was poor and living in misery sorry that I stated factas and sorry that you are ignorant of anthropology and history but you are now hit the books.
    Do you have some suggested reading?

    Or are you just repeating what you heard somewhere?
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Water is not air and food and the moon has no viable water for us to exploit
    Water is made of hydrogen and oxygen. So is rocket fuel. Once captured, water is constantly recycled. Lots of sunlight, unfiltered by atmosphere, is available for energy and growing food. Your ignorance is showing.

    'Significant Amount' of Water Found on Moon | Space.com

    The biggest obstacle is bone loss, and we may need the geneticists to solve that one.

    But your resource argument is completely vapid.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Do you have some suggested reading?

    Or are you just repeating what you heard somewhere?
    Yes I suggest anthropology which you named but know nothing of.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Water is made of hydrogen and oxygen. So is rocket fuel. Once captured, water is constantly recycled. Lots of sunlight, unfiltered by atmosphere, is available for energy and growing food. Your ignorance is showing.

    'Significant Amount' of Water Found on Moon | Space.com

    The biggest obstacle is bone loss, and we may need the geneticists to solve that one.

    But your resource argument is completely vapid.
    Care to name a power plant for providing heat and light which runs off of hydrogen or oxygen?

    Using rocket fuel is certianly using an energy source but every energy source is not viable for every energy need. Just as the applications for internal combustion are limited( one cannot launch a rocket into space using a fossil fuel internal combustion engine ) the applications for hydrogen and oxygen are limited.

    Water is constantly recycled by the earth not by people. The moon has no ecosystem to recycle water and we have found the the idea of artificially recycling water for a permanent habitat is beyond our grasp.

    The atmosphere filters sun light which ALLOWS plants to grow. Lack of such atmosphere ( and lack of magentic field ) means too much radiation and sun light to allow plant growth.

    The water found is SIGNIFICANT but that is a highly subjective term. Much of what your link talks about is theory which is far beyond our current level of technology to exploit. This is why the article constantly refers to potential much the same way gravity is a potential energy source but we are a long way from harnassing it for any meaningful application.

    My resource argument is compltely factual yours is more akin to science fiction

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Yes I suggest anthropology which you named but know nothing of.
    I've been looking and cqn't find anything to refute my position.

    So yer gonna gave to put up or shut up.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Care to name a power plant for providing heat and light which runs off of hydrogen or oxygen?

    Using rocket fuel is certianly using an energy source but every energy source is not viable for every energy need. Just as the applications for internal combustion are limited( one cannot launch a rocket into space using a fossil fuel internal combustion engine ) the applications for hydrogen and oxygen are limited.

    Water is constantly recycled by the earth not by people. The moon has no ecosystem to recycle water and we have found the the idea of artificially recycling water for a permanent habitat is beyond our grasp.

    The atmosphere filters sun light which ALLOWS plants to grow. Lack of such atmosphere ( and lack of magentic field ) means too much radiation and sun light to allow plant growth.

    The water found is SIGNIFICANT but that is a highly subjective term. Much of what your link talks about is theory which is far beyond our current level of technology to exploit. This is why the article constantly refers to potential much the same way gravity is a potential energy source but we are a long way from harnassing it for any meaningful application.

    My resource argument is compltely factual yours is more akin to science fiction
    Uhhh...

    Sunshines on solar panels, unfiltered by atmosphere. This produces electricity. Lots of it.

    Electic lights and heating are century old technology.

    You are aware that they grow plants on the ISS, right?

    You keep SAYING stuff. Do you have anything to cite?

    You keep talking nonsense while completely ignoring the two main difficulties: bone loss and radiation. Both of which can be mitigated on the moon.

    As with the anthropoly bit, put up or shut up.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I've been looking and cqn't find anything to refute my position.

    So yer gonna gave to put up or shut up.
    I did put up and you did not look you just are too childish to deasl with ignorance

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