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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow the left will Politicize just about everything.

    Nothings off limits is it ?

    The National Aeronautics and Space Administration is now doing studies on " equality " or lack there of ?

    LOL !!
    Liberals can't do what CONS do? double standard.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    I believe we can always use better aqueducts and even (high speed rail) roads.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Industry is not the problem, but the growth model of economy. The model is the reason why we have over consumption, too many people, vast destruction of irreplaceable swaths of biosphere, increase in diseases like cancer, etc.

    We're living in a post-colonial, post-christian world that is still reeling from centuries of the philosophy of dominion over nature and that the world needs "saving" with our values, by might if necessary. I think the western world is in a unique position to learn from its mistakes and start preaching equality with nature, but places like Asia? Forget it. Humanity is doomed.

    It's really disheartening to see the destruction humans are wreaking on this planet, but I'm not totally concerned because the biosphere is going to correct us eventually. For all our technology, we cannot keep up with the exponential appearance of new problems that our collective way of life is creating. We don't have viable space travel or extra-planetary colonization techniques. We can't escape the karma we've created on this planet for ourselves. The consequences will be reaped. Until then, people will live in ideological la la land about whatever they choose, until reality comes crashing down.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    for those wondering, the headline from the Guardian does appear to be a bit off, the study may have received some funding from NASA but the organisation behind the study is another group - The National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center (SESYNC)

    The paper may be found here
    Anyone have a working link?

    This is really strange. I have no doubt that some of you have accessed this document, but the OP article doesn't give a link to it, Somerville's UM link is dead, and the SESYNC home page makes no reference to it that I can see. There publications section doesn't show it.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    They are not in social sciences. Did you read the study? How about at least the title page?
    No, I read he article and the article cited archeological and paleoanthropological studies as a basis for it's conclusion that advanced civilizations can collapse. Archeology and paleoanthropology are both social sciences. I hope this helps you.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Hah, this is all so absurd the deeper I look into it. You have to love the closer for the OP scary story:

    "Although the study is largely theoretical, a number of other more empirically-focused studies - by KPMG and the UK Government Office of Science for instance - have warned that the convergence of food, water and energy crises could create a 'perfect storm' within about fifteen years. But these 'business as usual' forecasts could be very conservative. "

    So many weasel words. What is "Empiracally focused", and why are we caring about the new "study" if it isn't empirical?

    The KPMG link is to a graphic that says, essentially, that a growing middle class will be more demanding on what it wants to eat--> ??? --> end of the world!

    So KPMG graphic is based on assumptions, and doesn't come to the same "Income Inequality" conclusion that he other study supposedly comes to... but it says the world will end (for different reasons) in 2030, so they support one another? This is bulls**t. Pure, unadulterated bulls**t.

    The UK government makes the same claim that a growing affluence will doom us all (rather than income inequality), and then beats the climate change and ocean acidification drum for good measure.

    You people who believe this crap feel free to lead the way by showing us how willing you are to give up your western civilization in favor of a more austere lifestyle. And good luck with that.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Yes, yes it is.
    Yup, it may be 10 days from now, it may be 100 years, but eventually they naysayers will be right.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    By any chance, does anyone have a link to the study? I could not find it on the NASA site.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    No, I read he article and the article cited archeological and paleoanthropological studies as a basis for it's conclusion that advanced civilizations can collapse. Archeology and paleoanthropology are both social sciences. I hope this helps you.
    No, I needed no help as I took the effort to find out what was at play. You on the other hand failed even to understand the article so if help is needed it is needed by you.

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