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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh boy, another "man is doomed" prediction.


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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    NASA has done us a bunch of good technologically. It's time to kick them out of the social sciences and get them involved in the science of space exploration. Obama changed their mission as one of the first things when he got into office. Democrats claim they are the party of science, primarliy because some social conservatives believe the world is six thousand years old. While I'll give them that one, they aren't the party of science. They are the party of using junk science to force political and social change. I would defund NASA as long as they are social scientists but fully support them if they got back to real science.
    Let me guess: you're one of the people who believed Rush Limbaugh when he said NASA was turned into a "Muslim outreach program."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Just a 'few' items in this story to stir up discussion



    Items to discuss

    " high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources"

    under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid."

    how do we humans " reduce economic inequality" and also find a way " to dramatically reduce resource consumption "??

    work by KPMG and the UK's Government Office for Science shows that resource exploitation could create a "perfect storm" of civilisational-ending crises by 2030.

    Because if there is one organization I really on fully in matters of financial and geopolitical economic forecasting, it's NASA.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Study an ant colony.

    It sends out worker drones to collect resources so the colony can expand.

    Eventually, there are no more resources left so the colony must move to a new location with fresh resources.

    What if, that colony is a planet with 10 billion people and there are no more resources. No new planet to run to.

    Are you folks so anthropocentric to think we are somehow special and immune to the laws nature?

    The prediction of 2030 is certainly off, and the dire tales of economic stratification are largely unwarranted (unless the uber-rich begin hoarding all resources), but we need to re-think just how quickly we are using up what precious gifts our planet has given us.
    Ants haven't perfected the science of recycling.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Nope, because in that example the colony collapses and they move to a new location with fresh resources.

    We only have one Earth.
    I say we plow up the field and kill all the ants. That'll learn 'em.
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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by indago View Post


    "It's true! I seen it on the internet!"
    It's sort of like the constant "the economy is going to implode predictions that will eventually be right"

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I say we plow up the field and kill all the ants. That'll learn 'em.
    No it wont. Dead ants don't learn.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    I did, but I see you have not answered any of my questions.
    To answer your question then, the problem with their methodology is that it cannot suggest when civilization would collapse and it definitely cannot suggest that it will happen anytime soon. Their conclusion itself reads much like a social theory paper, and thus makes me question if that was the conclusion they originally started with.

    The article even says that "collapse theories are considered fringe" and presents two other pieces of work that use the exact same methodology with much much less drastic conclusions.
    It's right in the OP.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    It's sort of like the constant "the economy is going to implode predictions that will eventually be right"
    Yes, yes it is.

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    Re: Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Really? This sociopathic mentality is truly reprehensible. You obviously realize that you're condemning your fellow man to death because of what - that they're unemployed? You must not give a fuçk that the U.S. has been enduring the worst economic downturn (for the last half decade) since the Great Depression. It is not the average Joe's fault that the U.S. (and world) economy tanked. So instead of rallying against your fellow man who is downtrodden, the logical, moral and ethical thing to rally for is job creation across the board, government innovation and investment and incentives to large U.S. corporations that sell their wares in America but employ the majority (or all) of their workers away from our shores.

    Besides, I don't know what you do for a living or if you're even in the workforce, but if you are, it is really quite moronic to condemn people you see as disadvantaged, like the unemployed. Why? There is no such thing as 'job security' anymore. Hell, not even in the U.S. military is there security that a soldier, sailor, airmen or Marine will retain their position from week-to-week. So if you're working, consider yourself lucky but realize that that could change in an instant in today's economic scene.
    A very large number of them are the ones who voted in the socialist minded liberals that are responsible for the economic problems in the US. It is the Liberal agenda that has been forcing jobs overseas and making American made products unaffordable. I think it is great when so many liberals and union workers are left unemployed by outsourcing that their own policies brought about.

    Also, I believe that very few would actually die. Survival instinct is a very strong motivator. After a few do die from their laziness, the rest will get the message and we will see them start taking jobs that they have scorned because it is easier and more comfortable to live off the rest of us.

    Finally, it is morally reprehensible to enslave others. By saying that non-producers have the "right" to what the producers make and earn is making those producers slaves. When you punish achievement and reward laziness and non-achievement, nothing good at all can come of it. It is not sociopathic to place the wellbeing of the majority ahead of the wellbeing of the few, especially when the few are quite often in their predicament due to their own choices and their own laziness. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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