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Way more than 100 million.

6 million for Hitler

That's funny. I always kinda held Hitler responsible for WWII. Who do you think was responsible for it?
 
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Way more than 100 million.

6 million for Hitler
40-60 million for Stalin
40 million for Mao
3 million for Pol Pot (half the population)
Who knows for Vietnam or the rest of the "USSR" after the wars..
Of course you have Che Guevara and his killer rampage death squads..

Over 70 years it's possible it's close to 250,000,000 IMO due to famine, purges or executions etc due to communism..

It is very depressing to think about...

Pol Pot was evil - the worst of them all.

A few day back I watched a late 70's BBC doc on Pol Pot. Im a Paramedic, and that **** will give you nightmares.

Communism is a mother****er. Come to think about it, socialism in general is.

It all stems from the flawed belief that all people are or ever could be equal. And for most, it cuts down your soul each and every day. Dont even get me started on life in east germany, czechoslovakia, etc.

And another thing-im tired of leftists claiming that the nazi's were not socialists, or comparing them to the American conservatives.

God damn it...
 
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That's funny. I always kinda held Hitler responsible for WWII. Who do you think was responsible for it?

A lot of conspiracy theories but I still believe Hitler was the main aggressor. Stalin still murdered or led directly to the death of 10x more people tho.

Of course during his "final push" to seize Hitler he used most of his troops as cannon fodder.

Over the years tho Stalin was the real Hitler.... I suppose Lenin started it all tho, maybe Marx.

Stalin was just as brutal as Hitler.
 
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That's funny. I always kinda held Hitler responsible for WWII. Who do you think was responsible for it?

Nothing about socialism is funny.

You know whats not funny? What Stalin, did to his people before and after ww2. Try as you might-socialism is more than Hitler-and lefties need to acknowledge it.
 
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A lot of conspiracy theories but I still believe Hitler was the main aggressor. Stalin still murdered or led directly to the death of 10x more people tho.

Of course during his "final push" to seize Hitler he used most of his troops as cannon fodder.

Over the years tho Stalin was the real Hitler.... I suppose Lenin started it all tho, maybe Marx.

Stalin was just as brutal as Hitler.

Stalin, Lenin, and Marx. There are differences but the message is the same-death for those who dare disagree, and Im ****ing tired of those who forget bout them.

Capitalism has proven itself many times over. And yet still we have echo of the great socialist leaders in our own American left wing. **** that, people will fall for bling but the fact is its not worth dying over a discredited marxist philosophy.
 
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A few day back I watched a late 70's BBC doc on Pol Pot. Im a Paramedic, and that **** will give you nightmares.

Communism is a mother****er. Come to think about it, socialism in general is.

It all stems from the flawed belief that all people are or ever could be equal. And for most, it cuts down your soul each and every day. Dont even get me started on life in east germany, czechoslovakia, etc.

And another thing-im tired of leftists claiming that the nazi's were not socialists, or comparing them to the American conservatives.

God damn it...

Well, Pol Pot was well educated - as a matter of fact he was educated in France, which seems to be the theme for dictators.

It almost seems they're serial killers and not ignorant barbarians, except for a few. Saadam was a peasant and so were many African sadistic dictators.

Kim Jung-un is another potential sociopathic murdering dictator that was highly educated - in Switzerland.

These alleged "peasants" who claimed they were the breed of the "working man" never were - most were elitists that came from rich families and were educated well.

Hell, look at Che "Ernesto Lynch" Guevara - he was educated as a medical doctor in the United States...

All these educated people turned out to be murderous progressive socialists.....
 
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Stalin, Lenin, and Marx. There are differences but the message is the same-death for those who dare disagree, and Im ****ing tired of those who forget bout them.

Capitalism has proven itself many times over. And yet still we have echo of the great socialist leaders in our own American left wing. **** that, people will fall for bling but the fact is its not worth dying over a discredited marxist philosophy.

Capitalism will not always succeed but socialism will always fail.
 
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Well, Pol Pot was well educated - as a matter of fact he was educated in France, which seems to be the theme for dictators.

It almost seems they're serial killers and not ignorant barbarians, except for a few. Saadam was a peasant and so were many African sadistic dictators.

Kim Jung-un is another potential sociopathic murdering dictator that was highly educated - in Switzerland.

These alleged "peasants" who claimed they were the breed of the "working man" never were - most were elitists that came from rich families and were educated well.

Hell, look at Che "Ernesto Lynch" Guevara - he was educated as a medical doctor in the United States...

All these educated people turned out to be murderous progressive socialists.....

Never mistake being educated with not being a barbarian. It just isnt so.

I learned enough from my Cuban girlfriends father how life was under Castro, and his executioner Che. MD or ****ing not.


education alone does not determine a socialist nutbag. Rather its those who think all people are truly equal-not in intention or birth-but OUTCOME that matter.Intent is immaterial-rather look to the outcomes. Its what matters-**** bling.
 
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Never mistake being educated with not being a barbarian. It just isnt so.

I learned enough from my Cuban girlfriends father how life was under Castro, and his executioner Che. MD or ****ing not.


education alone does not determine a socialist nutbag. Rather its those who think all people are truly equal-not in intention or birth-but OUTCOME that matter.Intent is immaterial-rather look to the outcomes. Its what matters-**** bling.

You'd figure education would give the individual some sort of respect for life, but at the same time I can see how it cant and can limit respect for life...

The "intellectual Napoleon complex" seems about right.
 
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You'd figure education would give the individual some sort of respect for life, but at the same time I can see how it cant and can limit respect for life...

The "intellectual Napoleon complex" seems about right.

Thats a good way to put it. Some can't cope and seek to compensate (though Napoleans height was measured in metric height, not standard).

Dont be too impressed by education. Respect for life isnt the same thing.

Just look at how lefties despise those who disagree with leftism or frankly their view on life. Its minimal.
 
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A lot of conspiracy theories but I still believe Hitler was the main aggressor. Stalin still murdered or led directly to the death of 10x more people tho.
Given that WWII claimed c.85 million lives, how many of those would you lay at Hitler's door.

In your list of great genocidal scourges, I note that you left out that within just over a century, 90% of the pre-Colombian American population (27-45million) died from disease (often deliberately introduced) and repression of the European conquerors. Of course, that had nothing to do with socialism, so we'll ignore it.

Over the years tho Stalin was the real Hitler....
'Cos the real one, weeeell, he wasn't that bad, was he?

I suppose Lenin started it all tho, maybe Marx.
Are you just throwing out names you've heard? Perhaps you'd like to refer me to the writings of Marx that encourage the kind of behaviour that Stalin indulged in. Stalin invoked Marx in the way that Hitler and Mussolini invoked Christ.

Stalin was just as brutal as Hitler.
No argument there.

Nothing about socialism is funny.
On the contrary. Listening to conservatives pretending that Hitler was a socialist or that Stalin's ideology bore any relation to democratic socialism is hilarious.
 
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Given that WWII claimed c.85 million lives, how many of those would you lay at Hitler's door.

In your list of great genocidal scourges, I note that you left out that within just over a century, 90% of the pre-Colombian American population (27-45million) died from disease (often deliberately introduced) and repression of the European conquerors. Of course, that had nothing to do with socialism, so we'll ignore it.

'Cos the real one, weeeell, he wasn't that bad, was he?

Are you just throwing out names you've heard? Perhaps you'd like to refer me to the writings of Marx that encourage the kind of behaviour that Stalin indulged in. Stalin invoked Marx in the way that Hitler and Mussolini invoked Christ.

No argument there.

On the contrary. Listening to conservatives pretending that Hitler was a socialist or that Stalin's ideology bore any relation to democratic socialism is hilarious.

You miss the point, boy. You think this is a ****ing math problem? Archetypal lefty fail.

And another thing-Hitler was a socialist. Just a different type than Stalin. You really should wake up, in fact, read the nazi party platform. See if it sounds familiar.

German Party program[edit]

In Munich, on 24 February 1920, Adolf Hitler publicly proclaimed the 25-point Program of the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers’ Party), when the Nazis were still known as the DAP (German Workers Party).[3] They retained the National Socialist Program upon renaming themselves as the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) in February 1920, and it remained the Party’s official program.[4] The 25-point Program was a German adaptation — by Anton Drexler, Adolf Hitler, Gottfried Feder, and Dietrich Eckart — of Rudolf Jung’s Austro–Bohemian program; unlike the Austrians, the Germans did not claim to being either liberal or democratic, and opposed neither political reaction nor the aristocracy, yet advocated democratic institutions (i.e. the German central parliament) and voting rights solely for Germans — implying that a Nazi Government would retain popular suffrage.

The Austrian monarchist Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn proposed that the 25-point Program was pro-labour: “the program championed the right to employment, and called for the institution of profit sharing, confiscation of war profits, prosecution of userers and profiteers, nationalization of trusts, communalization of department stores, extension of the old-age pension system, creation of a national education program of all classes, prohibition of child labour, and an end to the dominance of investment capital.”[5] Whereas historian William Brustein proposes that said program points, and party founder Anton Drexler’s statements, indicate that the Nazi Party (NSDAP) originated as a working-class political party.[2]

In the course of pursuing public office, the agrarian failures of the 1920s prompted Hitler to further explain the “true” meaning of Point 17 (land reform, legal land expropriation for public utility, abolishment of the land value tax, and proscription of land speculation), in the hope of winning the farmers’ votes in the May 1928 elections. Hitler disguised the implicit contradictions of Point 17 of the National Socialist Program, by explaining that “gratuitous expropriation concerns only the creation of legal opportunities, to expropriate, if necessary, land which has been illegally acquired, or is not administered from the view-point of the national welfare. This is directed primarily against the Jewish land-speculation companies”.

Moreover, throughout the 1920s, other members of the NSDAP, seeking ideologic consistency, sought either to change or to replace the National Socialist Program. In 1924, the economist Gottfried Feder proposed a 39-point program retaining some original policies and introducing new policies.[6] Hitler suppressed every instance of programatic change, by refusing to broach the matters after 1925, because the National Socialist Program was “inviolable”, hence immutable.[7] However, the historian Henry A. Turner notes that Hitler "conspicuously" omitted the text of the Program from his political biography, Mein Kampf (1925, 1926), where he referred to it as "the so-called program of the movement".[8]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
 
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Given that WWII claimed c.85 million lives, how many of those would you lay at Hitler's door.

In your list of great genocidal scourges, I note that you left out that within just over a century, 90% of the pre-Colombian American population (27-45million) died from disease (often deliberately introduced) and repression of the European conquerors. Of course, that had nothing to do with socialism, so we'll ignore it.

'Cos the real one, weeeell, he wasn't that bad, was he?

Are you just throwing out names you've heard? Perhaps you'd like to refer me to the writings of Marx that encourage the kind of behaviour that Stalin indulged in. Stalin invoked Marx in the way that Hitler and Mussolini invoked Christ.

No argument there.

On the contrary. Listening to conservatives pretending that Hitler was a socialist or that Stalin's ideology bore any relation to democratic socialism is hilarious.

The "European conquerors" had no intent of spreading disease nor did they know how disease was spread.

I love the progressive lies...

If they knew how disease was spread do you really think they would have brought disease with them on a voyage?

WTF?

OH yeah that is something your progressive history teachers don't tell you, nor something you even learn in the 3rd grade anymore.
 
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I love the lie of the "Europeans (Spanish)" gave diseased blankets to the indigenous - just to kill them for no reason what so ever......
 
I would love to know how many indigenous diseases killed the Spanish...
 
Oh and I'm not even sure it was even Europeans that even came to North or South America first when there is evidence the Chinese and the Vikings sailed to South and North America before Columbus/Cortez(s) did.

I suppose that is a different thread for individuals more enthusiastic about history then yall?
 
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The "European conquerors" had no intent of spreading disease nor did they know how disease was spread.

I love the progressive lies...

If they knew how disease was spread do you really think they would have brought disease with them on a voyage?

WTF?

OH yeah that is something your progressive history teachers don't tell you, nor something you even learn in the 3rd grade anymore.

Damn straight. The first thing to go with the left is context. Theres a reason for that.
 
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A lot of conspiracy theories but I still believe Hitler was the main aggressor. Stalin still murdered or led directly to the death of 10x more people tho.

Of course during his "final push" to seize Hitler he used most of his troops as cannon fodder.

Over the years tho Stalin was the real Hitler.... I suppose Lenin started it all tho, maybe Marx.

Stalin was just as brutal as Hitler.

You miss the point, boy. You think this is a ****ing math problem? Archetypal lefty fail.

And another thing-Hitler was a socialist. Just a different type than Stalin. You really should wake up, in fact, read the nazi party platform. See if it sounds familiar.

You ever thought of doing this stuff as a stand-up show? Hitler is a socialist because he called himself a 'National Socialist'? So I guess we should accept that North Korea really is a democratic republic.

What unintentional irony - you make an entire argument that Stalin is worse than Hitler because he killed more people, or that Pol Pot is worse because he killed a greater percentage, then try the "this isn't about maths" line. That about as weak as it gets.
 
Oh and I'm not even sure it was even Europeans that even came to North or South America first when there is evidence the Chinese and the Vikings sailed to South and North America before Columbus/Cortez(s) did.

I suppose that is a different thread for individuals more enthusiastic about history then yall?

The Vikings set foot on the N. American mainland, but didn't stay. The Chinese never made it to the Americas. Please don't quote the Gavin Menzies books about 1421. I've read them and they are pure fiction. There's not a single shred of verifiable proof in any of them.

So remind me. Why DID you leave the decimation of the native American peoples out of your estimations?
 
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Damn straight. The first thing to go with the left is context. Theres a reason for that.

Progressives claimed they diseased them with blankets yet so many "Europeans" died of disease...

The funny part was the only clean drinking water they had was beer, and whiskey which they had to stop for, and which is why they stopped - but that will be a fun story later.

Progressive historians just make **** up....

It's fun to debate them especially on this issue considering it's common knowledge that not a damn person knew how disease was spread for the last 1800 years (arguably).

The best part is that the progressives act like the "Europeans" were coming to assassinate the indigenous tribes via premeditated murder just because they didn't like them and they were racist. As if they were looking for a bunch of American Indians in the first place.....

Let me ask a progressive this? - beyond a fetus - would you murder someone for no reason? so why the hell do you think the "Europeans" allegedly did???
 
The Vikings set foot on the N. American mainland, but didn't stay. The Chinese never made it to the Americas. Please don't quote the Gavin Menzies books about 1421. I've read them and they are pure fiction. There's not a single shred of verifiable proof in any of them.

So remind me. Why DID you leave the decimation of the native American peoples out of your estimations?

There are plenty of out of place artifacts that contradict what you claim, not to mention the Viking and Chinese ship technology contradict you again.

Hell, there is plenty of evidence Vikings made it all the way to Minnesota.
 
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You ever thought of doing this stuff as a stand-up show? Hitler is a socialist because he called himself a 'National Socialist'? So I guess we should accept that North Korea really is a democratic republic.

What unintentional irony - you make an entire argument that Stalin is worse than Hitler because he killed more people, or that Pol Pot is worse because he killed a greater percentage, then try the "this isn't about maths" line. That about as weak as it gets.

Yeah you're right these aren't bad guys because your opinion changes my mind...
 
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Yeah you're right these aren't bad guys because your opinion changes my mind...

Typical right-wing straw man. Did you miss, or was it just convenient to ignore this from post 287:
You: Stalin was just as brutal as Hitler.
Me: No argument there.
Whereas, conversely, you ARE giving a pass to all those monsters you can't paint with a left-wing label. Hackberry Hacker couldn't have done better. Hack!
 
There are plenty of out of place artifacts that contradict what you claim, not to mention the Viking and Chinese ship technology contradict you again.

Hell, there is plenty of evidence Vikings made it all the way to Minnesota.

Then you could link us with some academic papers that make the case. I don't believe those exist.
 
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