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Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group[W:157]

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Neo Nazis?

This would appear to be pro Russian propaganda during a time of great turmoil for the Ukrainian people. While preferring free media, having Russian celebrations concerning the annexation of Ukrainian territory may not be the sort of propaganda the Ukrainian people need just now, especially when there are further threats of incursions still existing.

No doubt the BBC is totally in the pocket of Putin and those neo-Nazis in the film were just actors. Good job you were around to point this out.
 
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Clinton tried a similar distraction. It did not work.

If you're referring to Operation Desert Fox, you're mistaking possible side-effects with reasons for action.
 
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No, they don't.

No, it doesn't.

I think that were I a Ukrainian, I may well have participated in the action against the Yanukovich régime, but I wouldn't have pretended that what we were engaged in was democratic in itself. It was an undemocratic means to a democratic end. Having said that, there seems to be a wide stream of Ukrainian nationalist thinking whose commitment to democratic principles is shaky at best.

So invasion by another nation is preferable. Sure it is.
 
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So Obama has created a Ukrainian crisis for the purposes of distracting from his domestic woes. There's a forum for such theories.

Obama's spectacular fail stands on its own and needs no conspiracy theory. He's losing his game of chicken.
 
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How can an illegitimate government, who took control through a violent coup, evicting the elected president, approve anything. Your sense of reason is troubled.

Says the guy that is fine with Russian invasion. :roll:
 
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we did want any of his remians to become a shrine for his martyrdom.

Even more critical was not allowing any independent confirmation of his dna to not make it a shrine either. In fact, Obama himself has no way to actually know if it was him, does he?
 
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Speaking of which...

[video]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26653295[/video]

It's events like this that make you think that Putin's claims about neo-Nazis being behind the coup may have some substance.


"Neo-Nazi?"

What you like is Putin doing another Stalin purge of Tartar Muslims - the only reason 54% of Crimea is "ethic" Russian - after Stalin's purge - estimated to have killed 60% of all Tartar Muslims in Crimea of those "relocated."

So genocide is fine with you, provided it is someone called "a socialist" rather than a "Neo-Nazi."

How many people has your so-called illegal Ukraine government "relocated."

And explain how conflicts within Ukraine justifies another country seizing part of Crimea declaring they own that territory now?

If it was "Neo-Nazis" with Putin to the rescue, why did every Jewish organization in Ukraine, including Crimea, sign a letter opposing Putin's actions and asking him to get Russian troops out? Because Jews love Nazi's?

You actually believe Putin, don't you?:roll:
 
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You do understand that drones flying out of Ukraine means the CIA has boots on the ground in Ukraine, or do you not know that the CIA runs the drone program? Who'd a thunk it, eh? In Ukraine? USAID. NED. Freedom House. NGOs up the wazoo. Gosh, what could all that mean?

I wish he had about 10,000 CIA in Ukraine, although to be fair it should be 16,000.
 
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"Neo-Nazi?"

What you like is Putin doing another Stalin purge of Tartar Muslims - the only reason 54% of Crimea is "ethic" Russian - after Stalin's purge - estimated to have killed 60% of all Tartar Muslims in Crimea of those "relocated."
There's no evidence of any such purge getting under way. That's hyperbole. Invoking the memory of Stalin diminishes your argument considerably.

So genocide is fine with you, provided it is someone called "a socialist" rather than a "Neo-Nazi."
You need to take a deep breath and step back. You're getting a bit hysterical. If Putin, or his Crimean acolytes, begin to engage in ethnic cleansing, then I'll be horrified and appalled as anyone else would be. So far, it hasn't happened.

How many people has your so-called illegal Ukraine government "relocated."
So far, I don't think anyone has been 'relaocated' by either side.

And explain how conflicts within Ukraine justifies another country seizing part of Crimea declaring they own that territory now?
That's what powerful nations do to weaker ones. It's not all right and it's not morally justifiable, but powerful nations do invade weaker ones.

If it was "Neo-Nazis" with Putin to the rescue, why did every Jewish organization in Ukraine, including Crimea, sign a letter opposing Putin's actions and asking him to get Russian troops out? Because Jews love Nazi's?
I don't think the new (illegal, yes) Ukrainian government is run by neo-Nazis, but we can see from the video posted that there are neo-Nazi thugs running around Ukraine seeking to make a power-grab while the going is good. Putin to the rescue? Don't be ridiculous. Putin may not share the ethno-nationalist clap-trap ideology of the likes of Svoboda, but his is a right-wing, authoritarian crypto-fascist régime.

You actually believe Putin, don't you?:roll:
No, but it's clear that you have swallowed, hook, line and sinker, the claims of the coup leaders. Time and actions will tell. Perhaps there will be a proper, open and fair election campaign in the Ukraine in May, but the history of the country suggests that the part of the Ukrainian nationalist movement that revolves around Yulia Tymoshenko are just as given to corruption, electoral fraud and demagoguery as the people they've just ousted. Don't take my word for it, check out what the leader of the Orange Revolution, Viktor Yushchenko says about her.

I know this is difficult for some people to grasp, but we're not dealing with a good vs. evil situation here.
 
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Obama's spectacular fail stands on its own and needs no conspiracy theory. He's losing his game of chicken.

He is only doing as he is told.

Like his predecessor, he is a sock puppet, advancing the agenda of those behind the curtains.

The last POTUS to be contrary to the powers-that-be caught a few rounds while riding in a convertible.
 
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I think the point is more that Crimea is part of the Ukraine, and an ally of the US so what business do the Russians have shooting down our drones in our allies

Again w/the "our". What's w/posters these days?

They are not our drones. We have no control over them. They are the govt.'s drones.
 
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Do you have support for any of this or do you fantasize your facts?

Wtf? You're even denying US support for the violent protests that ousted the Ukrainian government.
 
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That's quite clever, coming from a group not well known for their sense of humor.

Hey! That's not very funny.
 
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They are having elections on May 25, 2014. Why get all excited now? The Ukrainians can sort it all out.

The evicted President was corrupt on a scale seldom seen anywhere, except perhaps in Russia.

Viktor Yanukovych boasted of Ukraine corruption, says Mikheil Saakashvili | World news | theguardian.com

Winter Olympics 2014 puts Russia’s corruption

ALL governments are corrupt. I'm satisfied that surprises you.

Anyway, you can't steal a car in February and pay for it in May.
 
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"Neo-Nazi?"

What you like is Putin doing another Stalin purge of Tartar Muslims - the only reason 54% of Crimea is "ethic" Russian - after Stalin's purge - estimated to have killed 60% of all Tartar Muslims in Crimea of those "relocated."

So genocide is fine with you, provided it is someone called "a socialist" rather than a "Neo-Nazi."

How many people has your so-called illegal Ukraine government "relocated."

And explain how conflicts within Ukraine justifies another country seizing part of Crimea declaring they own that territory now?

If it was "Neo-Nazis" with Putin to the rescue, why did every Jewish organization in Ukraine, including Crimea, sign a letter opposing Putin's actions and asking him to get Russian troops out? Because Jews love Nazi's?

You actually believe Putin, don't you?:roll:

Nobodies supporting a purge, and the continual Putin/Stalin/Hitler comparisons are a huge fail.

Putins legitimacy stands on the FACT that the West, having failed to draw Ukraine farther to the West through negotiations, threw a fit and as Nuland stated, "**** the EU", they don't know how to get **** done, Yats is our man, and worked that to the end. Russia knows what went down, they clearly aren't going to take it, so you may as well get back to your rat killing, Putin has this covered.
 
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Again w/the "our". What's w/posters these days?

They are not our drones. We have no control over them. They are the govt.'s drones.

They are purchased by OUR government using OUR money, they are OURS.
 
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They are purchased by OUR government using OUR money, they are OURS.

If they keep nosing around, I'm sure Russia will continue to down them.
 
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He is only doing as he is told.

Like his predecessor, he is a sock puppet, advancing the agenda of those behind the curtains.

The last POTUS to be contrary to the powers-that-be caught a few rounds while riding in a convertible.

This is a bit too tin foil hat for me.
 
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Again w/the "our". What's w/posters these days?

They are not our drones. We have no control over them. They are the govt.'s drones.


In a democracy, the people and the govt are not so separate. Stop trying to equate backwards Muslim hellholes with the US.
 
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He is only doing as he is told.

Like his predecessor, he is a sock puppet, advancing the agenda of those behind the curtains.

If that's the case, you'd be pretty disappointed with all of our Presidents. Then again, I think most libertarians would be depressed if they studied more history.

The last POTUS to be contrary to the powers-that-be caught a few rounds while riding in a convertible.

Kennedy? Ha, man, Kennedy was no Taft or Roosevelt (either namesake). The man hardly acted all that against "the powers that be" (the illustrious vague forces "at work" that every other President has had to deal with).

Nuclear weapon theory: didn't convert to the RAND idea (but then again, hardly any leader did), but certainly employed (check our who Bob hired) and entertained their ideas for a great damn long time (unlike his predecessor). Sure Lemay talked with apocalyptic fervor in his smoke-filled lungs, but the dude wasn't much being adhered to to begin with.

Communism: Bought into the domino theory. Quite hawkish. Good for the defense industry.

Civil Rights: Talked the good talk, but did very little follow-through. That's pretty good convenience for another "power," right?

Budgets? Didn't try to bully his way through Congress much for the Democrats all that often.

Cuba? Didn't ask too many questions at first. Didn't like the embarrassment all that much, but the guy was no Grover Cleveland on the matter of intervention and acquisition either.

But yeah, I guess because someone kills him, it's because he was such a change agent. :roll:
 
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First of all, it was identified as MQ-5B. If true, that would make it a MQ-5 Hunter drone which is at least 20 tears old. These were replaced by the MQ-7 series and the current MQ-9 series.

There are civilian drones now that are far more sophisticated than an old MQ-5. Besides that, the MQ-5 has limited range that excludes it from flying from Bavaria, Germany to Crimea.

It could be that a neighbor NATO state (Poland or Romania) had one of these dinosaurs, but I highly doubt that the US military would use it.

It was also reported that Rostec.ru had a picture of the downed drone on their website. I visited the website and couldn't find any such picture or even a mention of a downed drone.
 
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This is a bit too tin foil hat for me.

Just guessing, but probably the whole idea of NSA warrantless searches and CIA torture was a bit too tinfoil hat for you too...
 
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If that's the case, you'd be pretty disappointed with all of our Presidents. Then again, I think most libertarians would be depressed if they studied more history.



Kennedy? Ha, man, Kennedy was no Taft or Roosevelt (either namesake). The man hardly acted all that against "the powers that be" (the illustrious vague forces "at work" that every other President has had to deal with).

Nuclear weapon theory: didn't convert to the RAND idea (but then again, hardly any leader did), but certainly employed (check our who Bob hired) and entertained their ideas for a great damn long time (unlike his predecessor). Sure Lemay talked with apocalyptic fervor in his smoke-filled lungs, but the dude wasn't much being adhered to to begin with.

Communism: Bought into the domino theory. Quite hawkish. Good for the defense industry.

Civil Rights: Talked the good talk, but did very little follow-through. That's pretty good convenience for another "power," right?

Budgets? Didn't try to bully his way through Congress much for the Democrats all that often.

Cuba? Didn't ask too many questions at first. Didn't like the embarrassment all that much, but the guy was no Grover Cleveland on the matter of intervention and acquisition either.

But yeah, I guess because someone kills him, it's because he was such a change agent. :roll:

Yes, I have been most disappointed with the various presidents since Carter, and I actually voted against Carter.

Are you aware of Kennedy's plans for the CIA? Are you aware of the letter to editor from Harry Truman regarding the CIA, published just a few months after Kennedy's assassination? Did you ever read MacNamara's "Fog Of War"?
 
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