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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

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    Socialists believe that they are that way because they care about people, but their dogmas always interfere with other people's freedoms and rights.
    particularly the right to have enough to eat and a decent home to live in.
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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Socialists believe that they are that way because they care about people, but their dogmas always interfere with other people's freedoms and rights.
    Its one of the tragedies of socialism. Too bad they never seem to learn.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

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    particularly the right to have enough to eat and a decent home to live in.
    Is that an idea limited to socialists?

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    More government programs and home ownership is down. Meanwhile, Americans certainly have enough to eat.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

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    Its one of the tragedies of socialism. Too bad they never seem to learn.
    And it appears they never will. Each time they try it they feel that this time it will work, despite its history of failure.

    Socialists are probably the stupidest people to walk freely among us.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And it appears they never will. Each time they try it they feel that this time it will work, despite its history of failure.

    Socialists are probably the stupidest people to walk freely among us.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

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    How are you a "libertarian"? How is the state confiscating and redistributing wealth in any way consistent with libertarianism?
    I'm a pragmatist.

    Political labels are notoriously inaccurate and misleading.

    Considering that under our present system confiscation of wealth and redistributing it to corporations and banks, such as we saw with TARP and other programs, is wrong.

    If it must be redistributed, I would rather it be returned to the people.

    I would rather it not be redistributed at all, but if the govt is going to do that, it's more appropriate that the people get it, not the mismanaged banks and crooks on Wall Street.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is that an idea limited to socialists?

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    More government programs and home ownership is down. Meanwhile, Americans certainly have enough to eat.
    I'm not sure that anyone could make a cause and effect link between the government programs that have been enacted over the years and home ownership being down currently.

    Let the government take over the building industry, and then you'll see a difference.
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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure that anyone could make a cause and effect link between the government programs that have been enacted over the years and home ownership being down currently.

    Let the government take over the building industry, and then you'll see a difference.
    We can't ignore the involvement of government involvement through Fanny Mae and other government regulations and organizations in the housing industry since 1968, nor the corruption and graft with.

    Housing and Urban Development Act of 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Lawmakers slam Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac CEOs over pay and bonuses - latimes.com

    It inevitably turns out this way.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm a pragmatist.

    Political labels are notoriously inaccurate and misleading.

    Considering that under our present system confiscation of wealth and redistributing it to corporations and banks, such as we saw with TARP and other programs, is wrong.

    If it must be redistributed, I would rather it be returned to the people.

    I would rather it not be redistributed at all, but if the govt is going to do that, it's more appropriate that the people get it, not the mismanaged banks and crooks on Wall Street.
    Redistributing wealth "to the people" is another political scam designed for those who really believe that the playing field is going to be leveled and that the government will do it.

    "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed".-Adolf Hitler

    A mindless slogan like "Hope and Change", which is the slogan of all politicians, demonstrated that idea perfectly, and the American electorate bought into it twice.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We can't ignore the involvement of government involvement through Fanny Mae and other government regulations and organizations in the housing industry since 1968, nor the corruption and graft with.

    Housing and Urban Development Act of 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Lawmakers slam Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac CEOs over pay and bonuses - latimes.com

    It inevitably turns out this way.
    Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac didn't build houses, didn't sell houses, don't represent a take over of the housing industry. All they did was to guarantee mortgages and make it easier for people to buy houses. Those two programs have been around a very long time. I bought my first house with a Fanny Mae loan back in '69.

    The link between those two programs and the housing crash seems to me to be a bit tenuous to say the least.

    Again: Government programs does not equal socialism.
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