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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This may shock you, but George Bush had his own problems. He as well as europe should have been more forceful towards Russia during the Georgian invasion. But he wasn't-of course he was busy fighting and in the winding down of the successful troop surge that Obama opposed at that time.

    The fact that Obama is a weak leader is why Russia is comfortable doing as it pleases.
    Excuses are for losers.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You have precisely missed the point, Bush wasn't saying he "didn't care", he said (very clearly) that the war was about much more than one man, and that OBL had been marginalized. Please try to read up on these things before you comment, otherwise people might think you are a bit of a daydream johnny.
    He said and I quote, "I don't know and I don't care."

    Please follow your own advise.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We were using them in Ukraine. Russia downed the drone IN UKRAINE. Please read the op.
    And you know this just because Russia said they did? I know, I know, if it discredits Obama you'll suck on like a hungry piglet on his momma's teat.

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why is it a US responsibility?

    I can't see why the Ukrainians would want to be part of Russia. Can you think of a reason?
    Oh it's not. It would just appear that the US, supported by many of you here, believe it is a matter for the US. I would be delighted for us to focus on the burden of our domestic problems and leave that issue to Russia and the Ukraine to resolve, with involvement of the EU, only in the event that all the fear mongering and comparisons between Putin and Hitler, and Putins alleged designs on Europe beyond Ukraine, were to materialise.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    The Pakistani government is to blame for that.
    Oh no, the US is perfectly legit in attacking and invading sovereign countries to project and protect our interests. That's other countries that are forbidden from such.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    He said and I quote, "I don't know and I don't care."

    Please follow your own advise.
    He knew it was very likely that OBL was already dead or incapacitated, and therefore didn't concern himself with him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually it's not a bad analogy at all. Hillary Clinton also compared Adolf Putin to Vladimir Hitler.
    Yes she did, under much deserved criticism. And she was pandering to a private party for fundraising in which no press was invited.

    Hillary Rodham Clinton has sparked a political uproar this week by wading into the middle of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, likening the moves of Russian President Vladimir Putin to the actions of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler leading up to World War II.

    The former secretary of state’s provocative comparison drew swift rebukes Wednesday from U.S.-Russia policy experts — including some who served under her husband, former president Bill Clinton — while attracting rare notes of support from hawkish Republicans in Congress.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...22c_story.html

    Notice, only warmongering hawks supported her, as is typical.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Incorrect about wars being fought to prove a leader had balls, or that Kennedy most likely wouldn't have committed a half million men to Vietnam under false assumptions as his (also Democrat BTW) successor did?
    "Most likely"? So now you have a crystal ball huh? Look Ditto, despite your revisionist history lesson here the facts remain that----

    "By 1963, there were 16,000 American military personnel in South Vietnam, up from Eisenhower's 900 advisors.[151]"

    and further

    "The Strategic Hamlet Program had been initiated in 1961. This joint U.S.-South Vietnamese program attempted to resettle the rural population into fortified camps. The aim was to isolate the population from the insurgents, provide reeducation programs and health care, and strengthen the government's hold over the countryside. The Strategic Hamlets, however, were quickly infiltrated by the guerrillas. The peasants resented being uprooted from their ancestral villages. In part, this was because Colonel Pham Ngoc Thao, a Diệm favorite who was instrumental in running the program, was in fact a communist agent who used his Catholicism to gain influential posts and damage South Vietnam from the inside."

    Then we have-----

    "U.S military advisors were embedded at every level of the South Vietnamese armed forces. They were, however, almost completely ignorant of the political nature of the insurgency. The insurgency was a political power struggle, in which military engagements were not the main goal.[158] The Kennedy administration sought to refocus U.S. efforts on pacification and "winning over the hearts and minds" of the population."

    Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Wow, where have we heard that strategy recently? Oh yeah, from the Bush administration....Whenever the US gets involved in "Nation Building" we do it poorly, and usually with not nearly enough force to make it stick. Kennedy was weak in his pacifism, and Khrushchev knew it, and exploited it, especially in VN...

    To look at what Kennedy would have, or wouldn't have done in concerns, I don't think that increasing troop levels would have been off the table with him, after all he tripled the numbers in his time. And remember his own words:

    "pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and success of liberty."

    The problem with liberals, and academics is that they often cherry pick what they want to believe about a President, and often re write the narrative to fit that, even if it just isn't so.
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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And you know this just because Russia said they did? I know, I know, if it discredits Obama you'll suck on like a hungry piglet on his momma's teat.
    Well then, why isn't the MSM asking any questions about Russia's claim? And why isn't the administration discrediting the claim?
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    Re: Russia says intercepted US drone over Crimea: arms group

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh no, the US is perfectly legit in attacking and invading sovereign countries to project and protect our interests. That's other countries that are forbidden from such.
    Unless you think that we do this, if we did this in the manner which you misrepresent, that there were no repercussions then you'd have a point. But at the same time, that you would even compare Putin's motivations to that of the US is laughable, and a rouse to cover that you support Russia doing this, as you condemn the US for similar prior actions. The difference between the two? We don't 'annex' anyone, and claim them as US additions.
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