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Beer makers drop out of St. Patrick's Parades that Ban Openly Gay Marchers.....

This isn't about restricting people because of sexual orientation. It is about restricting activism. Gays can be part of the parade, their activist banners for LGBT or GLENN can not. The same rules in the past toward pro-life and pro-choice groups have been upheld. Everyone is welcome as long as you are willing to go along with the rules.

Banners for one group should mean banners for all groups and I know I've seen banners at the SP Parade.
 
Banners for one group should mean banners for all groups and I know I've seen banners at the SP Parade.
Yeah there are banners for schools etc. not banners for activist groups. Big difference. What part of "NO Activism" don't you understand?
 
Yes, I feel they are STUPID for caring about it. It's meaningless crap they've been bitching and moaning about for the last 22 years. in the grand scheme of things, it's stupid. They could be fighting for Federal gay marriage instead of picking fights with Catholic organizers out of spite.

You keep trying to imply that a Catholic or private organization organizes this, please provide proof for that comment.
 
Yes, it is culture related but culture related movement came due to WASP mentality in the US... so Irish Nationalism came apart of St. Patrick's Day. Catholic Church has always been miles away from the holiday. They treat the holiday as an Irish thing and let the Irish "have fun". That's always been the Church's policy.

I don't particularly care what the Church's policy is, or how the Irish feel about it. **** the Irish. They're parading through public streets, and public resources are being used to divert traffic from those streets. If they want to have a private party where nobody gets to say **** about how they run it, they can take it to some asshole's field out in East Bum****.
 
I don't particularly care what the Church's policy is, or how the Irish feel about it. **** the Irish. They're parading through public streets, and public resources are being used to divert traffic from those streets. If they want to have a private party where nobody gets to say **** about how they run it, they can take it to some asshole's field out in East Bum****.

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Yeah! What he said!
 
I don't particularly care what the Church's policy is, or how the Irish feel about it. **** the Irish. They're parading through public streets, and public resources are being used to divert traffic from those streets. If they want to have a private party where nobody gets to say **** about how they run it, they can take it to some asshole's field out in East Bum****.

Good for you. They pay for those public resources. Btw, majority of those at the parades are actually Protestants. ;)
 
Good for you. They pay for those public resources.

I think you mean "the public" pays for them. That's why they're public. Because nobody's got the corner on paying for them.

Btw, majority of those at the parades are actually Protestants. ;)

I don't care if they're Pastafarians. **** 'em.
 
Because of the bastardization of it by WASP? :2wave:


Kidding aside... it's still a Catholic Holiday.. if St. Patrick's Day wasn't a feast day.. Irish Catholics wouldn't drinking on that day per Lent rules. See the catch? ;)

What Lent rule is this?
 
Sorry; I forgot. And Monday the 17th is also a Friday.
 
I think you mean "the public" pays for them. That's why they're public. Because nobody's got the corner on paying for them..

No, to hold events you have to pay a fee to the city. ;)
 
Because of the bastardization of it by WASP? :2wave:


Kidding aside... it's still a Catholic Holiday.. if St. Patrick's Day wasn't a feast day.. Irish Catholics wouldn't drinking on that day per Lent rules. See the catch? ;)


Irish Catholics don't usually need an excuse to drink, and there's no exclusion to drinking alcohol during Lent. If there were, you wouldn't be able to have the communion wine (which by Canon Law does contain alcohol). The Church wouldn't be likely to lift a lenten restriction just for St. Patrick's feast day. There's a feast day of some Saint practically every day. The only restriction I ever remember being lifted for St. Patrick's is local Bishops giving a dispensation to eat Corned Beef if it fell on a Friday, and usually only in dioceses with a large population of ethnic Irish.
 
This isn't about restricting people because of sexual orientation. It is about restricting activism. Gays can be part of the parade, their activist banners for LGBT or GLENN can not. The same rules in the past toward pro-life and pro-choice groups have been upheld. Everyone is welcome as long as you are willing to go along with the rules.

Mornin' Vesper.
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If that is the case......and the rules have been the same for no other political activism. Then why don't the sponsors come out and say that repeatedly. So that Gays or no other groups can try and play on any issues or use their issues. Or create those issues. So that the MS Media has to report that non-stop. This way people like these 2 mayors that want to politicize their careers over the issue. Can be made to look like fools and or for being Dishonest and deceitful.

Also shouldn't this be pointed out to both of these mayors.....and asking them why would they support political activism in events that don't want politics involved. Since they wanted to politicize the event.....shouldn't they be asked if they understand the English language and what the definitions of those English words are. While making them look like fools in front of the cameras.

Why is it so difficult for the LGBT and GLENN to understand.....that Gays can march but they can't have signage over their Political issue. Was there ever any confusion over the English language that was used to cause the lack of comprehension by these groups? Where did their confusions come in?
 
Mornin' Vesper.
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If that is the case......and the rules have been the same for no other political activism. Then why don't the sponsors come out and say that repeatedly. So that Gays or no other groups can try and play on any issues or use their issues. Or create those issues. So that the MS Media has to report that non-stop. This way people like these 2 mayors that want to politicize their careers over the issue. Can be made to look like fools and or for being Dishonest and deceitful.

Also shouldn't this be pointed out to both of these mayors.....and asking them why would they support political activism in events that don't want politics involved. Since they wanted to politicize the event.....shouldn't they be asked if they understand the English language and what the definitions of those English words are. While making them look like fools in front of the cameras.

Why is it so difficult for the LGBT and GLENN to understand.....that Gays can march but they can't have signage over their Political issue. Was there ever any confusion over the English language that was used to cause the lack of comprehension by these groups? Where did their confusions come in?

I think the confusion comes over what's activism. If a marching band carries a sign saying they're a marching band from wherever, or another organization has signage indicating what organization they're from, why can't an LGBT group carry a sign saying that they're an LGBT group?
 
I also find it ironic people are up in arms about the policies in NYC and Boston. The holiday is St. Patrick's Day, a catholic holiday. It's religious in nature and will always be.

Hmmm I've attended quite a few St. Paddy's Day celebrations- religious they ain't! It seems far more an 'Irish' one and we all know the Irish.... :mrgreen:

I suppose a few still hold the Catholic Holiday opinion but from what I have seen back east it is just an excuse to turn crap green, pinch folks and do 'car bombs'.... :peace
 
Heineken yeah, but Sam Adams is awesome!

And Sam Adams do make real beer, they don't use any rice or corn.

American Craft beer is way better than that mass produced BS. Every state has a slew of their own microbreweries now, try those out instead. Sam Adams was awesome when we had nothing but Budweiser and Miller; but now we have local microbrews and a new dedication to craft brewing. It's time for the mass extinction of the dinosaurs and the rise of the future of beer.
 
What Lent rule is this?

During Lent you always give up something for 40 days. Irish historically give up alcohol and have for generations. We are given Papal Dispensation for this day.
 
During Lent you always give up something for 40 days. Irish historically give up alcohol and have for generations. We are given Papal Dispensation for this day.

You are not required to give up anything for Lent, and I knew very few people of any ethnicity who gave up alcohol.
 
American Craft beer is way better than that mass produced BS. Every state has a slew of their own microbreweries now, try those out instead. Sam Adams was awesome when we had nothing but Budweiser and Miller; but now we have local microbrews and a new dedication to craft brewing. It's time for the mass extinction of the dinosaurs and the rise of the future of beer.

Sam Adams is a craft brewer. Just because they have some success doesn't mean they don't make great craft beer. Just like Sierra Nevada, just like New Belgium, just like Stone and Dogfish. Their success doesn't affect the quality of their beer.

And I love my local breweries just as much. SweetWater and Terrapin are the best!
 
You mean you actually found a group of Irish people who can walk in a straight line for a long period of time?
 
American Craft beer is way better than that mass produced BS. Every state has a slew of their own microbreweries now, try those out instead. Sam Adams was awesome when we had nothing but Budweiser and Miller; but now we have local microbrews and a new dedication to craft brewing. It's time for the mass extinction of the dinosaurs and the rise of the future of beer.

If you're in a bar that only has American crap and Sam Adams, it's still the best choice.

Canadian beer is better than American anyway.
 
If you're in a bar that only has American crap and Sam Adams, it's still the best choice.

Canadian beer is better than American anyway.

That's factually wrong. lol
 
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