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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    I have been thinking today, maybe that was the plan all along, bait Russia into taking Crimea so the West would have an excuse to destroy Russia economically. That's a very dangerous game tho. Not only that, I doubt these people can think that well. All they do is bumble their way from one crisis to another.

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Non relevant or even correct but hey go on bad mouthing the USA that will make Russia's actions Ok
    The hypocrisy is relevant, and bad actions on our part need to be pointed out.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The hypocrisy is relevant, and bad actions on our part need to be pointed out.
    Hypocrisy is not on my part so it is irrelevant to me. Pointing out bad actions is fine and in this case the really bad actions are on Putin's part.
    Changes nothing about my comment that Putin will ensure that Crimea votes to join Russia. Though even in your erroneous recap of Iraq, the USA never tried to annex it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Hypocrisy is not on my part so it is irrelevant to me. Pointing out bad actions is fine and in this case the really bad actions are on Putin's part.
    Changes nothing about my comment that Putin will ensure that Crimea votes to join Russia. Though even in your erroneous recap of Iraq, the USA never tried to annex it.
    What's erroneous about it? But then if its irrelevant to you, I don't suppose it matters. And we disagree on who the bad actors are in Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What's erroneous about it? But then if its irrelevant to you, I don't suppose it matters. And we disagree on who the bad actors are in Ukraine.
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    Yep, just like all the citizens of Iraq voted for the US to topple their president, kill a couple hundred thousand of them, destroy a bunch of their infrastructure, and leave them a government incapable of protecting them, hence more of them are getting blown up every day.
    Iraqi's didn't vote to topple Saddam, hence the error. I am not American and my country didn't join the topple Saddam war, hence no hypocrisy on my or my country's part.
    Do you honestly believe Russia is acting in good faith? You really believe they only went into Crimea to protect their bases their? Bases that were never threatened? With troops that hid their insignia? That the protests were not fueled by Putin? That the "government" in Crimea was not put in place by Putin through the use of his military?
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    You said:


    Iraqi's didn't vote to topple Saddam, hence the error. I am not American and my country didn't join the topple Saddam war, hence no hypocrisy on my or my country's part.
    Do you honestly believe Russia is acting in good faith? You really believe they only went into Crimea to protect their bases their? Bases that were never threatened? With troops that hid their insignia? That the protests were not fueled by Putin? That the "government" in Crimea was not put in place by Putin through the use of his military?
    It was a facetious statement, and the hypocrisy to which I refer is coming from the US not your country, whatever that may be.

    So I'm saying that Putin has all the legitimacy of being in Crimea that the US ever thought they had in Iraq, and then some.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It was a facetious statement, and the hypocrisy to which I refer is coming from the US not your country, whatever that may be.

    So I'm saying that Putin has all the legitimacy of being in Crimea that the US ever thought they had in Iraq, and then some.
    Not That I am trying to defend Bush but he didn't sneak into Iraq and present the world with a fait accompli like Putin did with the Crimea. He actually did some talking with Saddam and managed to get many countries to join him in the war. Russia never declared war on Ukraine or even talked to them (are they even talking yet?) they have just took over the Crimea. The USA never tried to annex Iraq, as Russia is doing in the Crimea.
    There are some similarities but they are not equal acts by any measure.
    Putin has 0 legitimacy of being in the Crimea it is a naked act of aggression.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Not That I am trying to defend Bush but he didn't sneak into Iraq and present the world with a fait accompli like Putin did with the Crimea. He actually did some talking with Saddam and managed to get many countries to join him in the war. Russia never declared war on Ukraine or even talked to them (are they even talking yet?) they have just took over the Crimea. The USA never tried to annex Iraq, as Russia is doing in the Crimea.
    There are some similarities but they are not equal acts by any measure.
    Putin has 0 legitimacy of being in the Crimea it is a naked act of aggression.
    The US has completed its share of annexation. Bush's action in Iraq was completely illegitimate, Iraq having not attacked us, nor having been associated with the AQ or OBL. The lies of WMD and the fear mongering of mushroom clouds over US cities, all were far more sinister than Putins response to a crisis fuelled by the US. Putins not concerned about Western opinion of his legitimacy, anymore than the West considers Putins thoughts when projecting their own aggressions.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Ukraine crisis: Russia reserves right to "take people under its protection" in Donetsk as John Kerry meets Lavrov - CBS News

    Given the reports of Russian troops massing on the eastern front, sounds like they will move into Luhansk and Donetsk next.
    So the real question will Donetsk and Luhansk be allowed to be swallowed from Russia too.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US has completed its share of annexation. Bush's action in Iraq was completely illegitimate, Iraq having not attacked us, nor having been associated with the AQ or OBL. The lies of WMD and the fear mongering of mushroom clouds over US cities, all were far more sinister than Putins response to a crisis fuelled by the US. Putins not concerned about Western opinion of his legitimacy, anymore than the West considers Putins thoughts when projecting their own aggressions.
    Continue to believe your nonsense if you must but Putin has annexed Crimea with the use/threat of force. There is no excuse for that and your attempts to legitimize his actions by comparing them to the USA do not aid your cause.
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