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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hope you don't think that I think Putin engineered this.
    OOOPs didn't mean to direct it at any one body, just many seem to think this is some 'chess' move by Putin that was somehow decades in the planning.

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    OOOPs didn't mean to direct it at any one body, just many seem to think this is some 'chess' move by Putin that was somehow decades in the planning.
    Yeah, sense it followed my post without a quote, I thought possibly you were addressing me. Thanks for the clarification.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    I had no idea that the "leader" only received 4% of the vote.

    The article makes a interesting point that this entire situation is in Putin's hands.



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    I'm actually considerably more worried if they vote, "nyet." If they vote, "dah," then there are issues, but Russians are already deployed so it would be a very small short window of issues. If they vote "nyet," and Russian troops are in place as they are, will they leave voluntarily or decide to stay anyway. if the Crimea voted "dah" this isn't as much a problem, Russians staying, but if they vote "nyet" then we in the west would almost certainly have to act on their behalf, hence another war?
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm actually considerably more worried if they vote, "nyet." If they vote, "dah," then there are issues, but Russians are already deployed so it would be a very small short window of issues. If they vote "nyet," and Russian troops are in place as they are, will they leave voluntarily or decide to stay anyway. if the Crimea voted "dah" this isn't as much a problem, Russians staying, but if they vote "nyet" then we in the west would almost certainly have to act on their behalf, hence another war?
    Regardless of how they vote the result will be "dah".
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm actually considerably more worried if they vote, "nyet." If they vote, "dah," then there are issues, but Russians are already deployed so it would be a very small short window of issues. If they vote "nyet," and Russian troops are in place as they are, will they leave voluntarily or decide to stay anyway. if the Crimea voted "dah" this isn't as much a problem, Russians staying, but if they vote "nyet" then we in the west would almost certainly have to act on their behalf, hence another war?
    Or not.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Regardless of how they vote the result will be "dah".
    Yep, just like all the citizens of Iraq voted for the US to topple their president, kill a couple hundred thousand of them, destroy a bunch of their infrastructure, and leave them a government incapable of protecting them, hence more of them are getting blown up every day.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you speak as though the people of Ukraine speak with one voice. Of course uprisings can occur spontaneously and without US coaxing, but when one is the result of US coaxing, it's not wrong to point it out.
    And I'm sure you have evidence of our coaxing the Ukrainian people to expel a corrupt leader.

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Our Grand and Glorious Republic has a cherished history of invading at gunpoint to enforce trade/treaty/corporate deals. (Commodore Perry in Japan and the Marines in the 'Banana Wars' comes to mind. Can't recall anyone in government renouncing those actions) Let's not forget the CIA attempts to overthrow democratically elected presidents, assassination attempts and the World Bank dictating severe economic upheavals as part of any aid given. We seem to be the pot looking hard at a kettle.
    I've never understood this: this is like saying a Bears fan is a hypocrite for liking touchdowns when the Bears score them, but disliking touchdowns when the Packers score them. "Do you like touchdowns or not?!" No, dude, it's not like that: the US is just looking for any argument to further US interests. Every nation is exactly the same in that regard.

    What is funny, though, is when individual people, not working for an organization, put forth the same type of argument. When country X attacks? Country X is wrong. When country X is attacked? Country X is still wrong, they goaded it somehow. These people aren't even working towards a national interest, so what's their goal?
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, just like all the citizens of Iraq voted for the US to topple their president, kill a couple hundred thousand of them, destroy a bunch of their infrastructure, and leave them a government incapable of protecting them, hence more of them are getting blown up every day.
    Non relevant or even correct but hey go on bad mouthing the USA that will make Russia's actions Ok
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    What's next? I hope the US has thought this one out. If not, it might not turn out so well.

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