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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Ah yes, it is all the fault of the US. Never mind that Russia is militarily occupying Crimea and digging in. It was such a morally righteous move on the part of Russia that these troops wear no insignia and identifying markings, took over bases and government buildings in the middle of the night, and have been physically intimidating opposition at gunpoint. Are those the actions of a country that is simply protecting its military interests and providing order? No. Try to not let yourself be blinded to facts due to your distrust of the corporate system.
    One would have to believe that the US State Dept and the CIA are idiots otherwise. Now the USA spends $5 billion creating an insurrection, even knowing about these 26,000 troops and the agreement that has them in the Ukraine. That agreement pretty much handed Putin a royal flush in the geopolitical poker game, and we had to know that. Now, we know that, so we're going to try to bluff against the royal flush that we already know about. As low as my opinion of these State/CIA players is, even I know better. Ergo, it must have been in the original scenario, because Russia was putting its' money where its' mouth was and helping Ukraine and the below market price on gas to Ukraine proves that without a doubt. There's something rotten and it's not in Denmark.

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    The way the referendum's questions are worded its going to be Da either way LOL

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    One would have to believe that the US State Dept and the CIA are idiots otherwise. Now the USA spends $5 billion creating an insurrection, even knowing about these 26,000 troops and the agreement that has them in the Ukraine. That agreement pretty much handed Putin a royal flush in the geopolitical poker game, and we had to know that. Now, we know that, so we're going to try to bluff against the royal flush that we already know about. As low as my opinion of these State/CIA players is, even I know better. Ergo, it must have been in the original scenario, because Russia was putting its' money where its' mouth was and helping Ukraine and the below market price on gas to Ukraine proves that without a doubt. There's something rotten and it's not in Denmark.
    Of course your comment assumes that popular uprisings can't occur in and of themselves without the omniscient CIA being involved which is a paranoid statement at best. I think you give too much credit to the CIA and not enough to the people of Ukraine.

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Then explain how it was all right for the USA to spend $5 billion to create NGOs, train protestors and militants, establish supply and transportation networks, and support the overthrow af a DEMOCRATICALLY elected scumbag in Ukraine and install the leader chosen by our State Department/CIA as acknowledged by the Victoria Nuland phone conversation? And now to have OLIGARCHS in control of some areas? CORPORATE hegemony, eh?
    I think you're straw-manning it up here. I don't think anyone has applauded the US for anything during this situation. All that was stated by Blue_State, with which I totally agree with, is that the Ukrainian people decide what their fate is. Why would you rather have a foreign country decide what's best for a sovereign nation? How would you like that happening to you?

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post

    If he does move into eastern ukraine however... then yes, he'll lose everything. He'll lose the trade agreements with the EU and the USA and that's over 10% of the Russian economy. There is no way he can get that money from elsewhere, not even trading with China. Losing that = recession or even a depression = mass unemployment = mass protests = bye bye 2nd term... his only chance is to have 140% of the population come out to vote again... but he'll have to become RasPutin to do that.

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    But it's OK to have mercenaries in there. Hypocrisy! I think it needs Russian troops to ensure its' stability and protect the citizens from Western Banks and Energy Conglomerates.
    And another tinfoil hat.

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe it is giving Putin waaaay too much credit to think he engineered this. He is responding to a revolt in the Ukraine that threatens a strategic interest in the Black Sea. He didn't send in millions of ethnic Russians over the years to tip the demographics. He is trying to maintain the Military bases Russia has had since before the Crimean war in the 1850's.

    A prime minister isn't elected in some sort of voting system by the general population such as our President through an electoral college. He is most often appointed by the majority party in Parliament. So it doesn't matter if the new Prime Minister ever won an election by popular vote, it only matters that the Parliament sees him as a worthy PM.

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    Hope you don't think that I think Putin engineered this.
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    What mercenaries?
    Don't rely solely on US media. As Mrs. Clinton points out, you will be ill informed.


    “Al Jazeera has been the leader in that they are literally changing people’s minds and attitudes. And like it or hate it, it is really effective,” she said.
    “In fact viewership of al Jazeera is going up in the United States because it’s real news. You may not agree with it, but you feel like you’re getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads and the kind of stuff that we do on our news which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners,” she added.

    Hillary Clinton.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...formation-war/
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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I think you're straw-manning it up here. I don't think anyone has applauded the US for anything during this situation. All that was stated by Blue_State, with which I totally agree with, is that the Ukrainian people decide what their fate is. Why would you rather have a foreign country decide what's best for a sovereign nation? How would you like that happening to you?

    "China's a better pimp for us than Russia, so we should let China have the US".
    I think the point being RA is that what the US is saying, notwithstanding, our foreign policy has nothing to do with humanitarian goals, it sells well, flows off the lips smoothly, but it is bullhockey. This is about OUR "interests".
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: If Crimea says 'Da!,' what's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Of course your comment assumes that popular uprisings can't occur in and of themselves without the omniscient CIA being involved which is a paranoid statement at best. I think you give too much credit to the CIA and not enough to the people of Ukraine.
    And you speak as though the people of Ukraine speak with one voice. Of course uprisings can occur spontaneously and without US coaxing, but when one is the result of US coaxing, it's not wrong to point it out.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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