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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's better than believing the guy who thinks a transponder can't be turned off.
    The information was put right in front of your eyes and you STILL deny it? That's plain dumb. Are you arguing with the graphic taken directly from the Boeing Manual? Or, are you arguing for the sake of arguing? Show me the full off position in the diagram? And, NAME the type of Transponder in use in that particular Boeing 777. TCAS integrated Mode-S is designed that way for a good reason. Mode-C transponders can be turned full off all day long.

    Do you not know the difference between the two?

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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    And, what about the Major and his brother-in-law? Are they both hacks, too? The arrived BEFORE the Feds arrived and saw "no airplane." How do you account for that? Why did the German Journalist get fired after delivering this story to the public? Are you even awake, or are you still suffering from the biggest PSYOP in American history?

    I want to see ALL SATCOM ACARS transmission from the ground to Flight 370, before I even think about investigating another cause for the disappearance of this aircraft. Or, I want to see the remains of this aircraft in close inspection.

    You on the other hand can and afford to be brainwashed, if you so desire.

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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Quote Originally Posted by PW4000 View Post
    Stop pretending and start educating yourself. My post TELLS you the difference between the two and it tells you the relevant differential between a standard non-TACAS Mode-C and a TCAS Mode-S transponder. If you have questions, just ask - but don't sit here and kid yourself about my qualifications as one having a logbook filled with entries involving high-performance turbine aircraft.

    Second, who said anything about pulling a circuit breaker? Where did you learn that information? Did you visit the CNN website who dropped that little bit into their on-line story, but FAILED to tell you this during their on-air "demonstration" in the "simulator?"

    Lastly, one would need to know a LOT more about the aircraft systems to pull the correct fuse, which also goes to the lack of credibility that some incompetent skyjacker pulled off yet another downing of a commercial airliner. You are talking about having in-depth knowledge about the electrical system of one of the most sophisticated commercial airframes in the world. Pulling the WRONG fuse could do more harm to your "mission" than good.

    How about you go learn something called SATCOM ACARS Avionics Systems. That's the most likely path that leads to an understanding of what happened here, if this matter is not pegged to an isolated physical malfunction (which is mathematically feasible).

    Stop pretending. I can give Flight Instruction in the Boeing 757 and the Boeing 737, among many other types of aircraft.
    It doesn't matter what CNN told you. What we know is that the transponder turned off. And being allegedly a 757 instructor, you're well aware that a transponder can, in fact, stop responding to interrogations if the pilot really wants that to happen.

    I didn't "learn" that information, I'm not suggesting this is a fact. I'm saying it's possible for a pilot to turn off a transponder. Yes, one requires at least some knowledge of an airplane to do that. Pilots have that sort of knowledge.

    Stop acting like what you see on CNN is some sort of scenario being presented as proof of what really happened. Everybody is speculating at this point. How and why the transponder was turned off is pure speculation. You are speculating that there is a mission at all.

    And quit with the appeal to authority bull****. If you haven't figured it out, I'm a pilot too. You can't claim authority and run away from arguments.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    And it is goddamned hilarious that you point to the ACARS system as being indicative of understanding what really happened. You have absolutely, positively no evidence that ACARS was in any way relevant. And that's what differentiates a conspiracy theorist from everybody else. Your (ridiculously convoluted) theories require no evidence.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It doesn't matter what CNN told you. What we know is that the transponder turned off.

    And, how do you "know" that? Where did you get that information from - CNN?


    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And being allegedly a 757 instructor, you're well aware that a transponder can, in fact, stop responding to interrogations if the pilot really wants that to happen.
    You were NOT told that by CNN today. Turning the transponder "off" never came up as a newsworthy discussion until CNN went live with some idiot reporter siting in a "simulator" while telling you that you can indeed turn the transponder "off." What he failed to tell you was that the type of transponder he demonstrated as NOT the same as that installed on Flight 370. What he failed to inform you about is the difference between Mode-S and all other types of encoding transponders. What he intentionally did not tell you, was the aircraft in question deploys BOTH a TACAS and a Transponder, and that the actual interface DOES NOT HAVE a full "off" detent.

    The so-called "turning off" of the transponder is merely a Mode Switch and not a functional disabling of the transponder - which begs the question, if you are not a trained Boeing 777 pilot, then how do you know WHICH mode to set? Furthermore, you need learn the difference between being an Internet Expert and a Real World Expert. The mode switch on a TCAS linked Mode-S transponder when set to "Alt Off" does not prevent the transponder from responding to interrogations. De-Moding the xPdr simply shifts its response mode.

    The real problem here, is that too many people have allowed themselves to be run down the rabbit's hole (just like on September 11th, 2001) by the media, only to jump on-line and proliferate the errors being dumped into their heads. Why does the media set such erroneous expectations? Because it knows that people just like you, will run off into the wild and begin repeating that which is clearly false (just like on September 11th, 2001). In the meantime, people just like me sit and shake our heads in pure disgust at how easily others are duped.

    There are NOT a million different things that could have happened to Flight 370. So, you can speculate to your hearts content. What I want to see are the last transmissions through the Datalink. The MCDU and FMS are integrally linked to the SATCAM capable ACARS, which is one high probability gateway to the FCS. Once you gain control to the FCS, you can manipulate the aircraft's physical position with respect to the horizon.

    Who has control over the satellites? Who launches them into orbit? Who maintains them? Who maintains the C2 systems (Terrestrial Command & Control)? Government and Military. Not the airlines. And, do you know what SAT based C2 systems are used for my dear friend?:

    NASA Glenn Research Center has issued an RFI for potential sources and partners for the design and development of a Command and Control communication (C2) system prototype for unmanned aircraft.
    Links:

    UAS Vision.

    UAV Tactical Echelon

    Lockheed UAV C2


    Speculation? Show me the SATCOM transmissions just before the transponder went "off." More importantly, show me the FCS output immediately after the final SATCOM transmissions and before the transponder went so-called "off."

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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And it is goddamned hilarious that you point to the ACARS system as being indicative of understanding what really happened. You have absolutely, positively no evidence that ACARS was in any way relevant. And that's what differentiates a conspiracy theorist from everybody else. Your (ridiculously convoluted) theories require no evidence.
    I suppose you make the same brain-dead conclusions about the Mayor of Shanksville, and the vanishing of Flight 93, because we've seen no debris field that even remotely resembles that which is to be expected from a high or low angle of attack crash site that was alleged by the official story tellers. Yet, you have the audacity to speak of evidence as though she is your close friend.

    The more you type, the more deluded you become. You don't understand the systems or the technology involved, but you want to pretend that you do, and your last statement proves it. Do you even know the difference between SATCOM ACARS and RF ACARS? Did you even know that there were mutliple ACARS carrier types? Do you have the slightest idea what you are talking about?

    A commercial aircraft weighing well over 200,000lbs has just vanished with more than 230 people on-board. That aircraft just happened to be a Boeing 777. A Boeing 777 is not a Boeing 727. The Boeing 777's avionics suite, flight management system, navigation system and air data systems are different. It was designed with aviation technology that DID NOT EXIST during the development of the Boeing 727.

    So, when you sit on the fat of your rear-end and conclude that ACARS had absolutely nothing to do with the traceless disappearance of Flight 370, it tells me and anyone having any clue whatsoever, that you are grasping for straws and clutching to anything that gives you credibility on the subject. Why? Because, absent a local, physical, mechanical abnormality as cause, the ONLY way to communicate with Flight 370's FMS, is through its SATCOM ACARS. Why? Because you CANNOT direct the FMS/FMC through any other means absent direct, local, physical intervention on-board the aircraft.

    That means that there are ONLY two (2) possibilities:

    1) Someone physically skyjacked a Boeing 777 over water with a fuel load offering no more than a 2,200nm radius.

    2) Someone virtually skyjacked a Boeing 777 over water from the ground and through SATCOM ACARS with the exact same 2,200nm radius.

    Either way, until we find debris that says otherwise - I am 100% certain that someone skyjacked Flight 370. Whether physical or virtual, remains to be seen. That this aircraft was skyjacked by someone, is not even a question in my mind given the evidence thus far.
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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Quote Originally Posted by PW4000 View Post
    And, how do you "know" that? Where did you get that information from - CNN?
    So you think the transponder was functioning the whole time? I don't understand. ATC lost the transponders. You're the first person I've heard challenge that notion.

    You were NOT told that by CNN today.
    You keep bringing up CNN. Why? I don't watch CNN.

    Turning the transponder "off" never came up as a newsworthy discussion until CNN went live with some idiot reporter siting in a "simulator" while telling you that you can indeed turn the transponder "off." What he failed to tell you was that the type of transponder he demonstrated as NOT the same as that installed on Flight 370. What he failed to inform you about is the difference between Mode-S and all other types of encoding transponders. What he intentionally did not tell you, was the aircraft in question deploys BOTH a TACAS and a Transponder, and that the actual interface DOES NOT HAVE a full "off" detent.

    The so-called "turning off" of the transponder is merely a Mode Switch and not a functional disabling of the transponder - which begs the question, if you are not a trained Boeing 777 pilot, then how do you know WHICH mode to set? Furthermore, you need learn the difference between being an Internet Expert and a Real World Expert. The mode switch on a TCAS linked Mode-S transponder when set to "Alt Off" does not prevent the transponder from responding to interrogations. De-Moding the xPdr simply shifts its response mode.
    And what does the STBY position do? What does pulling a circuit breaker do?



    There are NOT a million different things that could have happened to Flight 370. So, you can speculate to your hearts content. What I want to see are the last transmissions through the Datalink. The MCDU and FMS are integrally linked to the SATCAM capable ACARS, which is one high probability gateway to the FCS. Once you gain control to the FCS, you can manipulate the aircraft's physical position with respect to the horizon.
    You might know something about airplanes, but you don't know **** about computers. The fact that two systems are plugged into each other does not make one a magical gateway to take over the other. Autopilots, FMS, and ACARS are programmed to perform specific functions, and none of those functions include flight control commands coming from anywhere but the two guys in the cockpit. This isn't a freaking Windows operating system, you can't just run arbitrary commands. Without serious modification of the software of these components, a command to change course coming from the outside would just be ignored because the ACARS has no idea what to do with a command to change pitch or roll.

    Your theory requires someone to heavily modify the software of these systems, and that is not something that can be done remotely. You can't remotely command an ACARS or FMS to frigging update its core software in-flight. It's impossible. So they'd have to do it on the ground, along with installing this comic book villain poison gas cylinder. We're talking software engineers familiar with these systems, maintenance crews you've planted... and this is more likely than somebody figuring out which circuit breaker to pull?

    You cannot declare anything I've "repeated" to be false, because you don't know any more about what happened than I do.

    Duped? What have we been duped by? Nobody in this thread is saying they know what happened. Your theory is just stupider than most.

    You seem under the impression that I have ruled out physical intervention. I'm not sure where you got an idea that mind-bogglingly stupid.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The telemetry still happens, it's just not passed on to the owner unless they pay for it. For example Rolls Royce constantly monitor all their jet engines worldwide.
    Was going to point that out.

    Sure as hell the aircraft manufacturers and engine manufacturers would want a record of their planes/engines for legal reasons at some point.
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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Someone listened to Coast-to-Coast AM, with George Noory, last night. That's exactly what some nutbag guest was saying.
    Maybe he IS the guest?
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    Re: Investigators reportedly eye 'sabotage' in Malaysian jet disappearance

    Don't trust any pilots here. Just wait till the blackbox is found. We have deep interest as we share a common land and sea border.

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