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Gay couples, ACLU seek Fla. marriage recognition[W:134]

I'll let you know when they do.

you obviously arent familiar with them then, focus on the word RIGHTS and they do this often. Not "feelings" or "opinions" but RIGHTS

just a quick search that returned many many pages

The ACLU of New Jersey (2014) defended an orthodox Christian man’s right to wear his religious head-covering in a municipal courtroom.
ACLU appeal filed over man's hat in Egg Harbor City court - pressofAtlanticCity.com: Atlantic County News

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2013) interceded on behalf of a Christian inmate seeking to have a communal pre-meal prayer during the Christmas holiday.

The ACLU of Washington (2013) supported the right of Orthodox Christian, Hindu, and Muslim employees to an accommodation for their religious dietary needs.
https://aclu-wa.org/cases/kumar-v-gate-gourmet-0

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2012) filed a brief in support of a fifth grader's right to share her religious beliefs with classmates by distributing invitations to a Christmas party hosted by a local church.
http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/121728p.pdf
 
beat me too it!

Finding a response to that was only marginally more difficult than answering the challenge, "What...is your favorite color?"
 
lol what fantasy are you talking about now
what am I doing
how far am I going
and what trust does it break

I know you have all the answers so keep doing what you do. I knew an individual who exercised their rights once and the word got out not a company would hire them because of the potential mess they might cause.
 
you obviously arent familiar with them then, focus on the word RIGHTS and they do this often. Not "feelings" or "opinions" but RIGHTS

just a quick search that returned many many pages

The ACLU of New Jersey (2014) defended an orthodox Christian man’s right to wear his religious head-covering in a municipal courtroom.
ACLU appeal filed over man's hat in Egg Harbor City court - pressofAtlanticCity.com: Atlantic County News

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2013) interceded on behalf of a Christian inmate seeking to have a communal pre-meal prayer during the Christmas holiday.

The ACLU of Washington (2013) supported the right of Orthodox Christian, Hindu, and Muslim employees to an accommodation for their religious dietary needs.
https://aclu-wa.org/cases/kumar-v-gate-gourmet-0

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2012) filed a brief in support of a fifth grader's right to share her religious beliefs with classmates by distributing invitations to a Christmas party hosted by a local church.
http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/121728p.pdf

You're comparing common sense to immoral.
 
These are not issues of defending immorality or bad behavior.

That is the clumsiest attempt at a No True Scotsman I've ever seen....ever. You were asked how you felt about the ACLU defending Christian rights, you responded you'd let him know if you learn of any such cases, I provided those cases.

So...how do you feel about that ACLU defending Christians?
 
That is the clumsiest attempt at a No True Scotsman I've ever seen....ever. You were asked how you felt about the ACLU defending Christian rights, you responded you'd let him know if you learn of any such cases, I provided those cases.

So...how do you feel about that ACLU defending Christians?

The cases you quoted are so "vanilla" that they don't meet the true definition of defending. The aclu has a very dubious track record towards Christianity and it's symbols. They almost always fight to remove Christianity from public places and where they have defended it it's more of a speech issue rather than a religious on, nice try though.
 
You're comparing common sense to immoral.

That's true. We are comparing common sense things like equality under the law to immoral religious nonsense. But the first amendment even protects immoral religious nonsense. That's why no one is assaulting your churches (and of course you don't care about mosques or synagogues) and why you will never face legal discrimination for your religious beliefs. The people you are trying to trample are already displaying a higher moral fiber than you and yours.
 
The cases you quoted are so "vanilla" that they don't meet the true definition of defending.
The aclu has a very dubious track record towards Christianity and it's symbols. They almost always fight to remove Christianity from public places and where they have defended it it's more of a speech issue rather than a religious on, nice try though.

Yup, keep moving those goalposts so you can hold to the narrative that the ACLU is the natural enemy of the faithful. The ACLU is well acquainted with this false perception, so it's compiled a...warning!...rather lengthy list of cases in which it's defended faiths of all kinds.

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

There may be over fifty items on that last, maybe more. Admittedly I stopped counting at thirty.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2014) defended an orthodox Christian man’s right to wear his religious head-covering in a municipal courtroom.
ACLU appeal filed over man's hat in Egg Harbor City court - pressofAtlanticCity.com: Atlantic County News

The ACLU and the ACLU of Wyoming (2014) sent a letter protesting the Wyoming Department of Corrections’ practice of prohibiting prisoners from wearing religious headgear outside of their cells.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/prisoners...oming-discriminating-against-jewish-prisoners

The ACLU of Alabama (2013) represented a prisoner seeking to wear his hair unshorn in accordance with his Native American faith.
http://www.aclualabama.org/WhatWeDo/LegalDockets/2004 Docket page 2.pdf

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2013) interceded on behalf of a Christian inmate seeking to have a communal pre-meal prayer during the Christmas holiday.
The ACLU and the ACLU of Oklahoma (2013) filed a brief in support of a Muslim job applicant who faced religious discrimination in the hiring process.
/religion-belief/eeoc-v-abercrombie-fitch-amicus-brief

The ACLU of Washington (2013) supported the right of Orthodox Christian, Hindu, and Muslim employees to an accommodation for their religious dietary needs.
https://aclu-wa.org/cases/kumar-v-gate-gourmet-0

The ACLU and the ACLU of Mississippi (2013) defended the right of a Sikh man to wear a turban and carry a kirpan, without being subjected to harassment, in encounters with the Mississippi Department of Transportation and a Pike County judge/ during a traffic stop and courtroom appearance.
/blog/religion-belief-racial-justice/judge-sikh-man-remove-rag-or-go-jail

The ACLU and the New York Civil Liberties Union (2013) filed a lawsuit challenging the New York City Police Department's practice of targeting entire Muslim communities for discriminatory and suspicionless surveillance.
/national-security/raza-v-city-new-york-legal-challenge-nypd-muslim-surveillance-program

The ACLU of North Carolina (2012) advocated for allowing a 6-year-old to read aloud a poem with the word "God" in it at her school's Veterans Day assembly, in response to school officials' decision to remove the word.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/12/3722569/divining-the-tricky-line-on-god.html
 
all the appeals etc ... are useless this is going to the SCOTUS and they are going to see the 1500 different appeals etc they will issue a grand ruling one way or the other.
that will handle all cases at one time.

what is sad is the day when a boy can't go to the boys room and see a girl there. or women can't go into the women's bathroom and see a guy in it.
more so in high school and middle school.

what is worse if they protest then the lefties come out in swarms with their ad hominems.
 
That's true. We are comparing common sense things like equality under the law to immoral religious nonsense. But the first amendment even protects immoral religious nonsense. That's why no one is assaulting your churches (and of course you don't care about mosques or synagogues) and why you will never face legal discrimination for your religious beliefs. The people you are trying to trample are already displaying a higher moral fiber than you and yours.

Ah, the glory of socialism! What a magical economic philosophy. The support of the Godless and their immoral dreams what would we do without them. They are so out there they will embrace sexual deviates to gain what they think would pose for acceptance. Let's face it everybody wants the same no matter how useless they might be.
 
For example, in 2001, the group interceded with a school district in Michigan that had deleted a high school senior's yearbook entry because she included a Bible verse. In 2002, the ACLU filed a brief on behalf of a pastor associated with Operation Rescue who was prevented from participating in a parade because his pro-life poster showed a photograph of an aborted baby. And last September, the organization joined a lawsuit on behalf of a New Jersey second-grader who was not allowed to sing "Awesome God" in a school talent show. (All of these examples are easily accessible on several Web pages now devoted to defending the ACLU 's record on Christianity.)

The ACLU Is Not Evil | Christianity Today

That was from a Christian.

The ACLU is very clear on addressing all actions that infringe on civil liberties. It's just what they do.
 
Yup, keep moving those goalposts so you can hold to the narrative that the ACLU is the natural enemy of the faithful. The ACLU is well acquainted with this false perception, so it's compiled a...warning!...rather lengthy list of cases in which it's defended faiths of all kinds.

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

There may be over fifty items on that last, maybe more. Admittedly I stopped counting at thirty.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2014) defended an orthodox Christian man’s right to wear his religious head-covering in a municipal courtroom.
ACLU appeal filed over man's hat in Egg Harbor City court - pressofAtlanticCity.com: Atlantic County News

The ACLU and the ACLU of Wyoming (2014) sent a letter protesting the Wyoming Department of Corrections’ practice of prohibiting prisoners from wearing religious headgear outside of their cells.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/prisoners...oming-discriminating-against-jewish-prisoners

The ACLU of Alabama (2013) represented a prisoner seeking to wear his hair unshorn in accordance with his Native American faith.
http://www.aclualabama.org/WhatWeDo/LegalDockets/2004 Docket page 2.pdf

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2013) interceded on behalf of a Christian inmate seeking to have a communal pre-meal prayer during the Christmas holiday.
The ACLU and the ACLU of Oklahoma (2013) filed a brief in support of a Muslim job applicant who faced religious discrimination in the hiring process.
/religion-belief/eeoc-v-abercrombie-fitch-amicus-brief

The ACLU of Washington (2013) supported the right of Orthodox Christian, Hindu, and Muslim employees to an accommodation for their religious dietary needs.
https://aclu-wa.org/cases/kumar-v-gate-gourmet-0

The ACLU and the ACLU of Mississippi (2013) defended the right of a Sikh man to wear a turban and carry a kirpan, without being subjected to harassment, in encounters with the Mississippi Department of Transportation and a Pike County judge/ during a traffic stop and courtroom appearance.
/blog/religion-belief-racial-justice/judge-sikh-man-remove-rag-or-go-jail

The ACLU and the New York Civil Liberties Union (2013) filed a lawsuit challenging the New York City Police Department's practice of targeting entire Muslim communities for discriminatory and suspicionless surveillance.
/national-security/raza-v-city-new-york-legal-challenge-nypd-muslim-surveillance-program

The ACLU of North Carolina (2012) advocated for allowing a 6-year-old to read aloud a poem with the word "God" in it at her school's Veterans Day assembly, in response to school officials' decision to remove the word.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/12/3722569/divining-the-tricky-line-on-god.html

Look the aclu are a group of socialist bullies. If they defended Christianity, even by accident, it was because they couldn't find an angle that served they're pathetic existence.
 
My argument with homosexuals is forcing the marriage issue. I was always in support of the same rights but they didn't have to foul marriage in the process.

What screws up marriage more: Two gay men or women who love each other seeking to be married? Or a Heteroxsexual man who has sex with another married mans wife?
 
That's your opinion there are many of us who still consider homosexuality as a form of perversion. That opinion would easily help someone to reach the opinion that marriage has been fouled. I can never accept homosexuals because of this and what will be coming next. The legal assault on our churches.

The Bible didnt say it was a perversion...it said it was a sin....no better and no worse than fornicating and adultery. Why arent you freaking out over those sinners marrying and fouling marriage?

Your 'sky is falling' assumption that even more 'fouling' of marriage will occur is silly and unfounded....It's just like...using the exact same words....as those objecting to interracial marriage...they considered that 'fouling' too. And those people and their ignorance and hate (yes, because they do not care about the humans they would deny happiness) DISGUST me.

And there will not be assaults on churches (not successful anyway). The govt legally does not have that power. And gays can already find plenty of churches of many denominations to marry them.
 
I know you have all the answers so keep doing what you do. I knew an individual who exercised their rights once and the word got out not a company would hire them because of the potential mess they might cause.

cool story it has zero impact here
 
Look the aclu are a group of socialist bullies. If they defended Christianity, even by accident, it was because they couldn't find an angle that served they're pathetic existence.

Riggghhht. They defend Christians to trick them! :lol:
 
There are many valid reasons but if your not willing to learn and that's your happy place, then be happy larry. You've settled on a narrow progressive view of the situation then there's no point discussing it?

There are no valid reasons that should be forced on your fellow Americans that dont follow your beliefs. There is no harm shown...to marriage or society...or families.

So, feel free to share your valid reasons, which are only valid if they dont force your religious beliefs on others (so in that, you may be correct....they would not mean anything to me)

And 'narrow progressive view' is bull**** since my perspective is INCLUSIVE and broad and flexible. It actively LOOKS for harm and finds none.

Yours is rigid and full of ignorance and even hate....because you choose to inflict emotional pain on those that do you no harm. How would you have felt if *the GOVT told you you couldnt marry your wife?*
 
Your argument is one of the typical one always made in defense of homosexual marriage but it doesn't fly in the face of the facts. Homosexuality is not a race issue it's the dumbing down of morality to make a very small group feel included at any cost.

You need to understand that morality is not a matter of facts in the first place, and that your moral disapproval is not reason enough to make something illegal. I think it's immoral for people to go to a Justin Bieber concert, but it is clearly not in my right to prevent you from attending.

You're right. Same sex marriage is not a race issue. Nobody is saying that it is. People are making comparisons because the arguments are identical. It's immoral. Is unnatural. Against the will of God. Against the will of the people. Against states rights. Every one of these arguments was used against interracial marriage.
 
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That's your opinion there are many of us who still consider homosexuality as a form of perversion. That opinion would easily help someone to reach the opinion that marriage has been fouled. I can never accept homosexuals because of this and what will be coming next. The legal assault on our churches.

Are you married? Has your marriage become less important because of same sex marriage that is already happening? Do you love your spouse less? Does God approve of your union less? Does God love you less? Do you love your children less? Are you more likely to get divorced because two dudes got married in Minnesota yesterday? Would you be more likely to get divorced if a gay couple next door got married?

Exactly what about your life or your marriage, or anybody else's marriage, is being harmed here?

Why is your approval of someone else's marriage important? Is my approval of your marriage equally important? If I disapprove of your union, should it be illegal?
 
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I'll let you know when they do.

Arguing from willful ignorance is probably the dumbest thing you can do


ACLU of Colorado Supports Students Wearing Christian Symbols in the Colorado Springs School District

ACLU-NJ Defends Christian Student's Anti-Abortion Speech

ACLU of Tennessee Defends Christian Students' Right to Preach in Public Park

ACLU of Virginia Defends Christian Students' Right to Protest Against ACLU at Public School

ACLU Defends Christian Students Wearing Anti-Islam Shirts to Florida Public School

ACLU Fights For Christian Inmate's Right to Preach

ACLU of Northern California Fights Law that Got Quakers Fired Over Loyalty Oath

ACLU Defends Christian Librarian Disciplined for Refusing to Promote Harry Potter

ACLU Defends Right of Individual Christian to Display Nativity Scene on Public Property

ACLU Defends Christians Protesting Gay Rights in Florida

ACLU Champions Religious Freedom Of Mormon College Student

ACLU Fights for Christian Church's Mission to Feed the Poor

ACLU Fights for Christmas Tree

ACLU Files Suit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protesting Wal-Mart's Policy on Gays

ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit

ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

ACLU of New Jersey Joins Lawsuit Supporting Second-Grader's Right to Sing "Awesome God" at Talent Show

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

ACLU Helps Free New Mexico Street Preacher From Prison

ACLU of WA Wins Right of Christian Minister to Preach in Spokane Plaza

ACLU Fights for Baptist Preacher in Illinois

ACLU Defends Rights of Christian Group to Make Religious Protest at Funerals

ACLU Backs Christian Abortion Protester in Ohio

ACLU of Oregon Defends Religious Liberty Of Adventist School Boys Basketball Players

ACLU Backs Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Cross-Shaped Lapel Pin

ACLU Defends Christian Street Preacher in Las Vegas

ACLU Argues for Legal Recognition of Small Christian Church

ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages

ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln

ACLU Defends Church's Right to Run "Anti-Santa" Ads in Boston Subways

ACLU Defends Inmate's Access to Material from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks

ACLU Defends Families Fighting Removal Of Religious Symbols from Florida Cemetery

ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

ACLU Argument In Support of the Display of a Christian Cross in a Public Forum

ACLU Defends Christian Worker Required to Remove Bible from Desk at Government Job

ACLU Defends Free Speech Rights of Christians And Others On Main Street Plaza

ACLU Defends Prisoner's Rosary Beads

ACLU Defends Christian Group's Anti-Abortion Ads On Phoenix Buses

ACLU Pledges to Back Church in a Zoning Battle

ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church

ACLU Offers To Represent Private Prayer on Public Property and

ACLU Joins Falwell To Fight For Church Incorporation Rights
The ACLU Fights for Christians
 
The cases you quoted are so "vanilla" that they don't meet the true definition of defending. The aclu has a very dubious track record towards Christianity and it's symbols. They almost always fight to remove Christianity from public places and where they have defended it it's more of a speech issue rather than a religious on, nice try though.

so basically you were wrong, people tried to help you learn, you refuse to , and roll the goalposts further away. I pity people like you, changing one's opinion in the face of real facts is a glorious thing. People like you who are sheep to some right wing noise machine are barely living.
 
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