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Gay couples, ACLU seek Fla. marriage recognition[W:134]

TheNextEra said:
So if you're married you're going to get a divorce right? And if you're not married than you're never going to get married right? After all those gays fouled marriage according to you.
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My opinion means nothing the fact that pervert's hijacked something decent so they could play house and say they are just like everybody else is a fact. Following the traditional definition of marriage them and their ilk have contaminated it with exactly what satan wanted it contaminated it with.
 
sneakosview said:
You got your reading license suspended again didn't you? I did larry.
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Not really, no. You haven't explained to me how your marriage has been diminished.
 
Cardinal said:
With the possible exception of sociopaths, we all have morals, a conscience or a "little man on our shoulder," as it were. It speaks to us and tells us when we did something wrong (such as the feeling of shame for allowing the cashier to mistakenly not charge us for that soda), and the feeling of pride for having done good (such as giving to charity). You think your Christianity provides you with a unique system in which only that faith can allow for such a conscience, but you would be surprised to learn that everyone has such a thing, it just doesn't necessarily take on the visage of your religion.
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Nothing surprises me any more but I do remember hitler felt he had a moral obligation to cleanse humanity and I don't remember that being part of any religion.
 
Deuce said:
Soo, not going to answer my questions? You say marriage is "fouled." I want to know in what manner, and how this affects you. If same-sex marriage causes harm to others, then I'm going to change my mind on the subject pretty fast. Gay people don't have the right to harm my marriage.

So explain to me how that can happen.
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Still struggling with that reading thing?
 
Deuce said:
Are you really wanting to start a thing where you assign beliefs to other people? Can I assign beliefs to you?
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I got it from "The Liberal Leftist Progressive Pseudo Hippy Manual". You haven't been doing your reading, have you?
 
sneakosview said:
Manson? Bundy? Gacy?
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Still had morals. They may have been morals that were in direct contradiction to the majority of the people on the planet, but they still had morals.

This is why I've always preferred references to morals as a "compass". Morals are always there, but the thing about morals is that some peoples' morals are not in the same direction as others, some being completely opposite direction of some or even most people.
 
sneakosview said:
I got it from "The Liberal Leftist Progressive Pseudo Hippy Manual". You haven't been doing your reading, have you?
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Reporting for trolling. We're done here.
 
sneakosview said:
Nothing surprises me any more but I do remember hitler felt he had a moral obligation to cleanse humanity and I don't remember that being part of any religion.
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My conscience is quite clear on this: stealing, murder, rape, and lying all the way down to the neglect of my everyday duties and loved ones is wrong. I don't know what twisted rationale Hitler used to rationalize what he did, but it's no form of morality I recognize. I would say the driving force of my morality is at its simplest based on empathy, though it does get a bit more complex than that. But I don't see how Hitler could have used empathy to arrive at the decision to start a war that killed upwards of eighty million people. Empathy would rebel at such a choice.
 
Deuce said:
Not really, no. You haven't explained to me how your marriage has been diminished.
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Oh so you did read my answers? Being associated with a perverse group that has no respect for others is not the people I want to say their the same as me. Marriage is between a man and a woman and we fit that mold. Marriage is not between a man who's a man on Monday but a woman on Tuesday. It's not between a butch female who does a lousy job pretending and dressing like a man and a woman who thinks she really is a guy. It's not for cross dressing things that think they're something they're not but want to be.
 
roguenuke said:
Still had morals. They may have been morals that were in direct contradiction to the majority of the people on the planet, but they still had morals.

This is why I've always preferred references to morals as a "compass". Morals are always there, but the thing about morals is that some peoples' morals are not in the same direction as others, some being completely opposite direction of some or even most people.
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Well you're really grippen now.
 
Cardinal said:
My conscience is quite clear on this: stealing, murder, rape, and lying all the way down to the neglect of my everyday duties and loved ones is wrong. I don't know what twisted rationale Hitler used to rationalize what he did, but it's no form of morality I recognize. I would say the driving force of my morality is at its simplest based on empathy, though it does get a bit more complex than that. But I don't see how Hitler could have used empathy to arrive at the decision to start a war that killed upwards of eighty million people. Empathy would rebel at such a choice.
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I don't know what motivates some people all I know is what's right for me. I will always give Cesar what's Cesar's and the Lord what's the Lord's.
 
sneakosview said:
Well you're really grippen now.
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Nope. I simply understand the meaning of words. Morals is an individuals beliefs on right and wrong. It has nothing to do with how the rest of the world views an action when it comes to individuals having morals.

Now, the majority of people do share a common set of morals on what is right and wrong. Even some people who kill people believe that they are doing wrong but do it anyway for whatever reason. Others believe that they are not breaking their personal beliefs on what is right by doing something because their morals allow them to justify their actions. It doesn't make what they have done right or okay when it comes to living in a society together or when it comes to ensuring the values that the vast majority hold as "right".
 
sneakosview said:
A lot of the time I know whether someone will accept my reason or not so if I feel there's no respect then I just let it go.
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I respect religious viewpoints...I am a Christian and understand that. However what I dont understand is how anyone thinks that their religious beliefs should affect...even damage...the lives and happiness of other Americans.

So that is what I'm asking...and if your view is based solely on your religious beliefs...then please explain why you think others should have to be subject to them?

My 'personal and religious views' are different than the way I vote on this issue. I am not gay nor interested in being gay. Just like abortion...I (dont think) I would have had one but still vote differently...out of respect for others and the fact that we are Americans.
 
sneakosview said:
The days coming when it will happen without concern for how anybody else feels about it.
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But many people DO feel good about it...gay and straight.

You are the one trying to limit your fellow Americans for reasons you will not explain, except that they are sinning. But you dont explain why you dont apply it to 'other sinners' or more importantly...why are some Americans outraged that gays would ask to marry, but not when fornicators and adulters do? No one tried to start a movement to prevent them. Why? Their sins are no different, according to the Bible, than homosexuality.
 
sneakosview said:
I know we have differences, here are a few: pervert=pervert you pervert = a sensitive misunderstood person who just wants to fit in, .
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Your assumptions are mostly wrong, so I am going to stick to the topic.

You just dehumanized about 10% of the American population who:

--do no harm to themselves or anyone else
--perform acts that thousands of straight people do as well
--contribute a great deal to society in all professions, sports, the Armed Forces, science, and the arts
--have and raise families in the same ways (and just as well) as straight couples

*You* claim they are perverts. Even the Bible does not say that. As I said before....*you* are the one that ONLY FOCUSES on one small part of their lives. How big a part did sex play in your marriage? Was it 'everything?' Does it define your marriage, the sex you have?

It doesnt for gays either. Their relationships..and marriages...are the same as straight peoples...for better and for worse.
 
sneakosview said:
My opinion means nothing the fact that pervert's hijacked something decent so they could play house and say they are just like everybody else is a fact. Following the traditional definition of marriage them and their ilk have contaminated it with exactly what satan wanted it contaminated it with.
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More than fornicating? More than adultery in a marriage? More than wife beating and child abuse? More than divorce? Really?

People that commit all sorts of perversions are allowed to marry. People that do the same sex acts as gays are allowed to marry.

Well then how come no one attempts to stop any of them from marrying or re-marrying?

Why "just gays?"
 
sneakosview said:
My opinion means nothing the fact that pervert's hijacked something decent so they could play house and say they are just like everybody else is a fact. Following the traditional definition of marriage them and their ilk have contaminated it with exactly what satan wanted it contaminated it with.
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So you aren't getting married then right? I mean since the mean ole nasty gays fouled it right? Or are you just another hypocrite that realizes gay marriage won't affect YOUR marriage?
 
Lursa said:
More than fornicating? More than adultery in a marriage? More than wife beating and child abuse? More than divorce? Really?

People that commit all sorts of perversions are allowed to marry. People that do the same sex acts as gays are allowed to marry.

Well then how come no one attempts to stop any of them from marrying or re-marrying?

Why "just gays?"
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I just love how some people ignore the facts that heterosexual divorce rates are almost 50%, yet they think it's the gays that have "destroyed" the sanctity of marriage.
 
sneakosview said:
My opinion means nothing the fact that pervert's hijacked something decent so they could play house and say they are just like everybody else is a fact. Following the traditional definition of marriage them and their ilk have contaminated it with exactly what satan wanted it contaminated it with.
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That is your opinion...and you are correct it is meaningless. Perverts have the same rights as you.
The ACLU defends the rights all Americans even if those Americans are reviled. The ACLU does what the Constitution guarantees.
 
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sneakosview said:
I don't think.... Sorry, I was on my way out to eat and I was trying to hurry.
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this is another opinion you are free to have but like your other ones, again your opinion is meaningless
 
sneakosview said:
Noooooo, I took it word for word.
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you rewording your statment doesnt change the facts, its is still just your meaningless subjective opinion when referring to rights and factual definitions
 
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