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    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News

    Women in New Jersey can block a baby's father from the delivery room. A state judge, citing a woman's right to privacy, ruled that mothers can decide who will be with them when giving birth.
    Plotnick's attorney, Laura Nunnink, tells The Star-Ledger of Newark ( NJ court ruling blocking newborn's dad from delivery room is first in nation | NJ.com ) it was important to her client to bond with the baby. DeLuccia's lawyer, Joanna Brick, says DeLuccia allowed Plotnick to visit, and his lawyer says he saw the child.

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    The ruling settled a legal dispute that was argued the very day the woman gave birth. Superior Court Judge Sohail Mohammed said all patients — and pregnant women especially — enjoy strong privacy protections that let them decide who can be at their hospital bedside.
    Fathers, on the other hand, have no established legal right to be present at the birth of their children, the judge wrote.
    "Any interest a father has before the child’s birth is subordinate to the mother’s interests," Mohammed wrote. "Even when there is no doubt that a father has shown deep and proper concern and interest in the growth and development of the fetus, the mother is the one who must carry it to term."]
    Thoughts?

    So the elements in question:
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

    Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

    I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    A) they weren't married.
    B) they were "estranged".

    He's got no case, nor should he.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Even though the father will certainly be disappointed, I can side with the judge here.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    No it is not as evidenced by the fact that in many places in the world fathers are not allowed in the delivery room. Recall from movies the pacing fathers to be in waiting rooms, only to be informed after the fact that the child was born?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    A) they weren't married.
    B) they were "estranged".

    He's got no case, nor should he.
    Even if they were married, she should have privacy rights.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    The ruling settled a legal dispute that was argued the very day the woman gave birth. Superior Court Judge Sohail Mohammed said all patients — and pregnant women especially — enjoy strong privacy protections that let them decide who can be at their hospital bedside.
    Fathers, on the other hand, have no established legal right to be present at the birth of their children, the judge wrote.
    "Any interest a father has before the child’s birth is subordinate to the mother’s interests," Mohammed wrote. "Even when there is no doubt that a father has shown deep and proper concern and interest in the growth and development of the fetus, the mother is the one who must carry it to term."]

    Wow, I think this is the key sentence for many aspects of paternal rights v maternal rights. One could easily expand that to
    "any interest any party has before the child's birth is subordinate to the mother's interests."
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    No it is not as evidenced by the fact that in many places in the world fathers are not allowed in the delivery room. Recall from movies the pacing fathers to be in waiting rooms, only to be informed after the fact that the child was born?
    We already know that new fathers sometimes change their views towards their wives and see them more as mother of their child and less as a lover, so I wonder how much this dynamic is amplified by witnessing the trauma of birth? Clearly not every man is bothered and clearly not every man forms such mental associations.

    For those who do form these mental associations, what is the best result in the trade-off - witness the birth of your child but lower your sexual desire for your wife or don't witness the birth and maintain the image of your wife from her pre-birth status?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Even if they were married, she should have privacy rights.
    The exercise of rights carries consequences too. If this was a case of a married couple then I would assume that the woman's position would cause a lot of problems in the marriage - denying her husband the non-replaceable experience of being there when his child is born. That's a pretty big slap in the face.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    it may be emotional, it may suck etc etc


    but SHE decides who and when people see her yahoo and who has access to her medical and personal privacy.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    We already know that new fathers sometimes change their views towards their wives and see them more as mother of their child and less as a lover, so I wonder how much this dynamic is amplified by witnessing the trauma of birth? Clearly not every man is bothered and clearly not every man forms such mental associations.

    For those who do form these mental associations, what is the best result in the trade-off - witness the birth of your child but lower your sexual desire for your wife or don't witness the birth and maintain the image of your wife from her pre-birth status?
    Since the men losing interest in "mothers" has been around since before fathers were allowed in the birthing room, I think it has a lot more to do with the woman becoming regularly exhausted and regularly focusing on children that is the key to men not feeling as though they are the center of the woman's world. Without that, men seem to lose interest. Additionally there's the whole Madonna/Magdalen issue.
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