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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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He thinks pain meds during labor means no pain.:lamo

Now that is funny. Thanks.:lamo

Well, less pain anyways.
 
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Good point. It's probably not nearly as painful as the real deal, which reinforces my point about men not being able to handle it.

There is really no way to make the pain accurate for a man. It's all just "feel sorry for me" crap with those devices.

BTW, there are lots of women who do natural childbirth with no pain meds.

Indeed.
 
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Who's body is it? There is the simple answer to your question.

You were using the justification of who was having the medical procedure as the reason he should/could be barred. I was pointing out it is a medical procedure for both mother and child.

I get its the mother's body. I am for the man not gaining entry to the birthing room. I am also for his immediate access to the child after birth.
 
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You were using the justification of who was having the medical procedure as the reason he should/could be barred. I was pointing out it is a medical procedure for both mother and child.

I get its the mother's body. I am for the man not gaining entry to the birthing room. I am also for his immediate access to the child after birth.

The baby is a PART of the mother's body, as they are connected by the umbilical cord. The baby is a part of the mother until the umbilical cord is cut. Yes, it is the mother undergoing a procedure. HER name is used to schedule the procedure. It is not mother and baby, just mom's name and information. Baby is NOT yet a separate person from mom.
 
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You're welcome.

BTW, that last post was not an insult. The quote, "Are you still beating your wife?" is a commonly known example of a loaded question -- a logical fallacy; -- the facts are presupposed by the question. Forgive me if you were not aware of that; my apology if you thought I was offering that quote as an insult.

Hopefully you will be able to use this information. It might even qualify as being something of "intellectual merit".

so nothing yet? again let us know when this changes, your post fails again
 
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IOW, you can't name a single one. that's what I thought.... :laughat:
LOL why do you post lies, nobody honest, educated and objective buys them
another post with nothing to over, no surprise. Let us know when you have something on topic and that matters
 
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The baby is a PART of the mother's body, as they are connected by the umbilical cord. The baby is a part of the mother until the umbilical cord is cut. Yes, it is the mother undergoing a procedure. HER name is used to schedule the procedure. It is not mother and baby, just mom's name and information. Baby is NOT yet a separate person from mom.

Sure, the baby is not undergoing a procedure. Got it.
 
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I'm not going to play your silly game with you. Find someone else.

What, I am asking for you to clarify which response you thought to be rational. No silly game. Sorry if a simple request for clarification offends you.
 
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Sure, the baby is not undergoing a procedure. Got it.

Look at hospital records. Mother is the patient until the baby is born....then there are two. And as soon as there were two, daddy met his child.
 
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Sure, the baby is not undergoing a procedure. Got it.

The baby is INSIDE of the mom's body and all of his/her nutrients and life come from mom. Do you get that too? If mom is upset or stressed out, so is baby. Her chemistry and stress affects baby's health, even during pregnancy.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, they're both patients. Just because the dad isn't going into labor per se, doesn't make him any less important to the situation.

That's why parents-to-be that are so concerned about an upcoming child say things like "we're pregnant". You're just opening the door to men abandoning their responsibilities because they're not considered to be of value.

Long story short, your attitude contributes to more "sperm donors". It makes me glad I never put a ring on a vitriolic bag of emotions, just because she had a nice rack.

All that glitters is not gold, it seems.

How on earth is he the patient? I was not aware he was going into labor?

And yes, the father on the whole is totally useless except for being there for support and in this situation he is not even there for support so there is no logical reason for him to bother her during her labor.

And people might be saying "we are pregnant" but they are not really though, she is the only one who has that baby in her belly, she is the one feeling the onslaught of hormones, it is her private parts that will be stretched when the child comes out. It might make a woman's life easier if she has a partner during her pregnancy but that doesn't even have to be a man. If she is lesbian a female partner will be just as effective because mostly that partner is there for support and not much else.

In an ideal world it would be best if this woman could have counted on her partner to be there during the pregnancy and during labor, but again, they are estranged and his presence in the delivery room would put undue pressure and distraction on this woman when she should be totally concentrating on giving birth.
 
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LOL why do you post lies, nobody honest, educated and objective buys them
another post with nothing to over, no surprise. Let us know when you have something on topic and that matters

let us know if you ever plan on backing up a single claim you ever make. I won't hold my breath.....
 
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let us know if you ever plan on backing up a single claim you ever make. I won't hold my breath.....

already done lol
this is why you are left with nothing, you have ZERO argument against my posts

this doesn't violate his legal rights in anyway
men and women BOTH have the SAME right to privacy

both facts both, backed up :shrug:
 
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Haven't bothered to read the entire thread but legally I side with the judge. I think it's the right decision. As an observation if the mom decides to bar the dad from the delivery room I'm betting they have some serious relationship problems which probably doesn't bode well for the kid.
 
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already done lol
this is why you are left with nothing, you have ZERO argument against my posts

this doesn't violate his legal rights in anyway
men and women BOTH have the SAME right to privacy

both facts both, backed up :shrug:

blah, blah, blah. do you just cut and paste the same lame crappola from thread to thread?
 
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blah, blah, blah. do you just cut and paste the same lame crappola from thread to thread?

are you saying his legal rights were violated and he doesn't have the same right right to privacy? :)
 
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She's no mother. She's just a cum dumpster the man was unfortunate enough not to pull out of in time.

A good mother wouldn't deny the father of her child a once-in-a-lifetime experience because she's a miserable sack of crap.

Wow, the hatred of women on this thread is just astounding.
 
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Wow, the hatred of women on this thread is just astounding.

pretty much

don't forget the fantasy, assumptions and made up stories too

I think ill just assume the father in the OP is a women beater and heavy drug user
 
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Women that don't act that way, don't get hated on.

Yes, why would women want to have an opinion of their own if they can just obey their husbands :roll::roll:

No woman should be forced to give birth with some jackass in the room who she is now very estranged with. And if some men do not like that then too bad for them.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, they're both patients. Just because the dad isn't going into labor per se, doesn't make him any less important to the situation.

LOLOLOL

He is completely irrelevant to the situation, totally unneeded, and according to the mother & medical statistics, could actually be detrimental.

He's not in the least important to the delivery...it will take place even if he is dead.

Unless SHE see's it that way, he has ZERO value in the delivery room. And she has made it clear she does not.

If he wishes to be more than a sperm donor, he has 18 years to prove it...countdown starts post vag-exit.
 
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LOLOLOL

He is completely irrelevant to the situation, totally unneeded, and according to the mother & medical statistics, could actually be detrimental.

He's not in the least important to the delivery...it will take place even if he is dead.

Unless SHE see's it that way, he has ZERO value in the delivery room. And she has made it clear she does not.

If he wishes to be more than a sperm donor, he has 18 years to prove it...countdown starts post vag-exit.

If that's the case, don't seek any support for the child...
 
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If that's the case, don't seek any support for the child...

Why not? Is he not partially responsible for the child?

Not only that, he has indicated he wants to be part of the kid's life. That starts 'after' the delivery.
 
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If that's the case, don't seek any support for the child...

What does not having to be able to be in the delivery room has to do with his parenting role? She has as of yet not claimed he could not be a parent for that child. And as a parent of that child (something that does not only happen if he was able to see the birth take place) he has to pay for his child. He wants the child to be his so he is going to have to pay.
 
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