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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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Sorry, but yes, what I said is exactly right. This is even understood when they tax things on the market.

So what do you want Henrin? The fathers of these children to pay, or the rest of us taxpayers?
 
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The fact that instances like these are stories are testaments to their rarity. In these situations, it's easy to tell who's the man, who's the dog, and who's being bitten.

Custody should be awarded to the BEST parent period, regardless of the gender. The only reason why it was that way in the past (mothers getting custody as opposed to fathers) is because normally fathers would be working and not able to raise or care for their children, whereas the mothers would be at home, therefore, the fathers would pay child support, and the mothers would do the child rearing. That dynamic is slowly changing now. We have more fathers than ever with full custody rights to their children, so I don't know what you're complaining about.
 
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He thinks it should be a "choice" for men as to whether they support their children or not.

It's a violation of the thirteenth amendment if it's not. :shrug:
 
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That is not MOTHER SUPPORT it is CHILD SUPPORT and has absolutely no bearing on her rights to privacy. None. Even if they were married. Get over it, you do not have control over a woman's body.

You can call it whatever name you want, the mother is paid the money, not the child. If a woman wants to claim it's her body and no one has the right to control it, that's fine. Then they should bear the sole responsibility for what happens to their body, meaning that they should bear the SOLE responsibility for pregnancy and it's results and the father should not be required to share in the financial responsibility of the child. If women want to claim absolute control over their body, then they should bear absolute responsibility for what happens to their body.

Paying child support does not come with an engraved invitation to invade a woman's privacy.

If the woman doesn't want the man in her business, then don't she should not let him put his penis in her. Getting pregnant is not an right to extract financial resources from a man, as some women have turned it into.

And by the way, child support starts AFTER the baby is born. So if you think the child support is some kind of entrance ticket, it doesn't even hold up there. The baby is still connected to the mother until the cord is cut.

By the way having a baby does not make a woman a prima donna who can claim she is independent, but at the same time demands that a man gives her financial support for having a baby.

And again, a person in labor already is physiologically and emotionally stressed. Having a person in the room that she does not want there is much more stressful. Why would the soon to be father want the mother MORE stressed out in the delivery room? Does he want her blood pressure higher? Does he want her to alter her focus from giving birth to the guy she is estranged from that she doesn't want in the room. If it ain't healthy for mom, it probably ain't healthy for the baby. But somehow the dad feels it is all about him.

And again the two of them should come to an agreement. If it were me and she didn't want me there I would respect that. However if the two of them can't agree, she should make her case to a reasonable, objective 3rd party, and not assume the role of an arrogant prima donna that passes unilateral edicts from on high that the father has to pay child support but has absolutely no right to be there when the baby is born.
 
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The fact that instances like these are stories are testaments to their rarity. In these situations, it's easy to tell who's the man, who's the dog, and who's being bitten.

You mean 15% of child support coming from women is considered a "rarity"? The point these stories are making is that this is a major change from the past, when women didn't pay child support pretty much at all. That is changing. It can't change overnight. This issue is too deeply rooted in our society and too controlled by individual beliefs and views on roles of mothers and fathers in a child's life.
 
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It's a violation of the thirteenth amendment if it's not. :shrug:

It isn't servitude to pay for the child that you voluntarily created. No one made you do that.
 
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No one made the woman let the man put his penis in her.
 
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He thinks it should be a "choice" for men as to whether they support their children or not.

I think I should be 5'11" tall.
 
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It's not to demean men. It's to demean sperm donors.

100% correct
 
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You mean 15% of child support coming from women is considered a "rarity"? The point these stories are making is that this is a major change from the past, when women didn't pay child support pretty much at all. That is changing. It can't change overnight. This issue is too deeply rooted in our society and too controlled by individual beliefs and views on roles of mothers and fathers in a child's life.

No kidding, and I would be the first one to admit that there are certainly "mothers" out there who should not have custody either. I'm familiar with two cases off the top of my head of people I know personally where the mother was denied custody and the fathers awarded full custody. In one of these cases, the mother isn't even allowed visitation because of her drug addiction and past neglect of the child while in her care.
 
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So what do you want Henrin? The fathers of these children to pay, or the rest of us taxpayers?

Hardly the point I was making. What happens when you raise taxes on the rich? It's not so much that they will hire less like conservatives like to say, because more than likely they will not, but that they will shift how they run their business, and more than likely give people raises less often. As a result wages increases will decrease if not lower.

What happens when you tax energy? Energy is the mover of the economy, so things like taxes on gas causes production and GDP to go down.

Why would it be different for any charges imposed on people? Logically it wouldn't be.
 
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Custody should be awarded to the BEST parent period, regardless of the gender. The only reason why it was that way in the past (mothers getting custody as opposed to fathers) is because normally fathers would be working and not able to raise or care for their children, whereas the mothers would be at home, therefore, the fathers would pay child support, and the mothers would do the child rearing. That dynamic is slowly changing now. We have more fathers than ever with full custody rights to their children, so I don't know what you're complaining about.

Yeah..."more than ever".

Which is a larger increase: a 100% increase of 10, or a 10% increase of 1,000?

Men are still getting dicked. They always have been dicked. More than likely, they will continue to get dicked.

They should teach boys in high school to be DAMN sure when getting married, because you're essentially anteing up your life when the house has odds.
 
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And more mothers than ever in the past are losing custody, particularly full custody and even having to pay child support. Some women are even being made to pay alimony. Pretty sure that shows at least a change in the right direction here when it comes to child custody and the sex/gender of parents. However, unfortunately, this issue has a lot of components and its not easy to get a proper decision that is going to be fair for everyone.

Ken Altshuler: This Mother's Day, More Moms Paying Child Support

10 Things You Should Know About Child Support - Wellness & Empowerment - EBONY

yep i have full custody of my kid and my brother split custody with his ex, split as in the son stayed with him and the daughter with the mother
 
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Men should bear in the financial responsibility AND they should have some right to be there when the baby is born.
 
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Yeah..."more than ever".

Which is a larger increase: a 100% increase of 10, or a 10% increase of 1,000?

Men are still getting dicked. They always have been dicked. More than likely, they will continue to get dicked.

They should teach boys in high school to be DAMN sure when getting married, because you're essentially anteing up your life when the house has odds.

What don't you get about what has been explained to you about the reasons WHY this is the case?
 
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Men should bear in the financial responsibility AND they should have some right to be there when the baby is born.

They can be there. They just can't be in the delivery room without permission, and that is how it should be. The mother is the one undergoing a "procedure," and is going through a VERY difficult time and possibly the most painful and traumatic experience in her life. If you cared at ALL about her or the unborn child, you would cease and desist on being stubborn about "being there" when the ONLY reason for being there would be to SUPPORT the mother.
 
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What don't you get about what has been explained to you about the reasons WHY this is the case?

Stupid reasons like "she used Ebony magazine as a source".
 
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It isn't servitude to pay for the child that you voluntarily created. No one made you do that.

So forcing someone to be a servant of someone else isn't involuntary servitude? Ok, I'm listening..
 
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Stupid reasons like "she used Ebony magazine as a source".

So you argue that this is NOT the reason why and that it's just that everyone loves women more than men, and everyone wants to be unfair to men? Grow up.

Don't ever let me hear you complain about a "victim" mentality about anyone else again.
 
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They can be there. They just can't be in the delivery room without permission, and that is how it should be. The mother is the one undergoing a "procedure," and is going through a VERY difficult time and possibly the most painful and traumatic experience in her life. If you cared at ALL about her or the unborn child, you would cease and desist on being stubborn about "being there" when the ONLY reason for being there would be to SUPPORT the mother.

Wrong. Being there to support her is NOT the only reason to be there. You are completely forgetting about the mans reasons for being there and just pretending as if she is the only one that matters.
 
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No, it's saying that removing peoples property by force and making them a servant of someone else against their will makes people react badly. You will never experience better results as long as the system is in place. You don't have to believe me, but in twenty years when it is EXACTLY like it is now if not worse, don't look at me like I didn't tell you so.

Just like removing some ones freedom by force makes criminals flee from police? Society has the right to force people to do many things. Supporting their children is one of them. Of course if YOU would like to volunteer to support all the children whos' dads won't, no one would mind either.
 
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yep i have full custody of my kid and my brother split custody with his ex, split as in the son stayed with him and the daughter with the mother
splitting the kids up? i tend to have a visceral reaction to that idea
 
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So you argue that this is NOT the reason why and that it's just that everyone loves women more than men, and everyone wants to be unfair to men? Grow up.

Don't ever let me hear you complain about a "victim" mentality about anyone else again.

It's just a demonstration as to why women will never be equal. The evidence is infinite.
 
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Just like removing some ones freedom by force makes criminals flee from police? Society has the right to force people to do many things. Supporting their children is one of them. Of course if YOU would like to volunteer to support all the children whos' dads won't, no one would mind either.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Notice the exception. Notice how it doesn't apply to the situation at hand.

Do you really think you can win this? :lol:
 
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